Loxley Lane, 6x4, OO layout

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Re: First ever build, size is an issue!

Postby Dead Man's Handle » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:50 pm

Hi again Graeme,

Graymee wrote:How the hell do you make your own points? can you post a link to a guide anywhere???


Sorry, just noticed that question. The most common method involves soldering bits of rail to copper-clad sleepers (circuit board stuff), using a template (from a kit, e.g. SMP, C&L, Marcway, or one of your own design using software (e.g. Templot) or drawn by hand (guess you really need to know what you're doing for that though..)). It's not generally for the faint-hearted! Although there are now plastic kits which just involve threading the rails though the sleepers and a bit of filing... but I don't think there's much choice with those and you lose most of the benefits of building your own (i.e. they're basically just off-the-shelf points that you go to the bother of building yourself).

Decent guides seem a bit thin on the ground (although there are books - one I've seen but not read is "An Approach to Building Fine Scale Track" (or something close to that) which looks good and I think I've seen recommended). About the best thing I found online was this thread on another forum: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... &sk=t&sd=a


One thing I'm sure many people would suggest your plan needs is a headshunt - a track which means shunting can take place without fouling the mainline, so you can run a train around while shunting with no problems :) I was playing around with your plan and have labelled it on there. I've also done the main loops using curved points and flexitrack (the track spacing would need some work, but it's just rough), in case it's something you might want to consider. Just some ideas - I'm not saying it's what you should do :) Getting used to flexitrack to start with on your practice layout might not be a bad idea, because you will probably want to use it if/ when you go for something bigger.

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Re: First ever build, size is an issue!

Postby Graymee » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:53 pm

Dead Man's Handle wrote:Decent guides seem a bit thin on the ground (although there are books - one I've seen but not read is "An Approach to Building Fine Scale Track" (or something close to that) which looks good and I think I've seen recommended). About the best thing I found online was this thread on another forum: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... &sk=t&sd=a


Hi Ade, looked at this link and decided that for the sake of a tenner or so to buy a set i would save myself the nuclear explosion in my neo cortex! OMG you would surely need to have a real specialist need for a precise length or shape to need to do that. Although i guess that some folks enjoy the fine engineering and satisfaction of the diy approach. not for me though.

Thanks for the advice on the trackplan, I actually woke up at about 3am and remembered that i had forgotten a headshunt! Never mind, three weeks ago i thought a "headshunt" was a nightclub doormans request for you to leave his establishment! :lol: I am trying to avoid using flexi track, mainly because i have all of the set track curves already, which have all either come with my original set or i have bought off ebay. So i figured if i can use them I can use the money i would spend on flexi track elswhere. Although, as you will see from my revised plan, I may need to buy one length for the headshunt as i have had to use a bit of an obscure piece of curve to keep the angle shallow. If i use a length of 607 or 609 it encroaches too far into the middle of, what i want to be, a "residential zone." Same applies for the two turnouts which you placed either side of the station, without flexi track i don't think they will work with curved points. So i still have the top side very cluttered but i think i could still bring in a road over a humpback bridge at the top right and miss the end of the head shunt or even a longer bridge that would go over it but i think that the gradient would again take up too much space! Why didn't i just start this in the garage on a massive baseboard so that i wasn't bothered about b!**£y space all the time? :cry: But then i'd have a whole load more problems to overcome...
ok have a look and see what you think:-
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Away from trackplanning, I went to Midland Railway centre today. Enjoyed it for what it is but it didn't really teach me anything of immediate use, got up onto the footplate and had a good chat with the fireman and his "lad." There is also a model railway layout which was good to see, I haven't actually seen models running since i started out on this venture, so that kind of spurred me on a bit. The Centre itself is undergoing a huge project to recreate a railway village at the minute so I guess in a few years it will be a different place altogether. Loads of respect for all of the volunteers who give up their time to build the place but also to take time out to talk to visitors and answer questions.

right enough rambling.

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Graeme
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Re: First ever build, size is an issue!

Postby Graymee » Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:54 pm

Ok time for a non update! Not much to report, I got the book which I ordered from the library :- The Model Railway Design Manual by C.J. Freezer. Not exactly the most dynamic of publications, looking thru I first thought it was from the 70's but was actually first published in 1996! I'm sure it will help though, it does seem to cover every angle... :)

I'm still waiting for this CD rom to arrive posted 2nd class Saturday from Scotland so guess tomorrow or thursday....

Just done an inventory of track, learned a lesson, don't buy job lots of second hand track. End up with stuff i'll possibly never use and not enough of what i need. :roll: Still, you live and learn. :oops:

If i go with the trackplan above i'll need 2 more 607's, 4-5 more 601's, 4 more 8072's, three more 8073's and probably a length of flexi for my headshunt!

That's it for now, off to have a read of Cyril :D

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Graeme
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Re: First ever build, size is an issue!

Postby Graymee » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:44 pm

It seems that i have a trackplan at last!!!
I've been a bit cheeky and started another thread on the track layout/design section to canvas some broader opinion. After some sound and constructive advise from DMH and Quentin (thanks again guys :D ) i've come up with this:-
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So it looks like i'm ready to start my layout for real :D :D :D

hopefully more interesting updates to come soon...

cheers

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Re: First ever build, size is an issue!

Postby Graymee » Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:20 pm

I've laid some track!!!! :D :D :D :D
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Just finished laying out my trackplan, bought another set from my LMS and swapped the track in the box for bits that i needed and worked out a good deal for the lot. Decided to go for the DCC starter set which comes with two 0-6-0 shunters one diesel one steam :
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I figured rather than a mainline loco i would get much more use out of a couple of shunters and i can learn to play trains between modelling spells. I would soon get bored of watching a loco go round and round and it wouldn't teach me a thing... They look a bit toy like but are solid little things and with a bit of weathering should look ok. the colours aren't as bright as they seem on the pic.

Ok so now i am Using a DCC controller and i'll use my DC one to power lights and point motors eventually. Can anyone shed some light on the points problem? I've bought some hornby clips (they look like big flimsy staples) to "electrofrog" the points, but now it seems from reading some of the articles on here that i also need some insulated track joiners too, or is that just for running DC? I can't get my head around it, where do the little clips fit?

Also do i need to link the ovals together to power them both? Would that then eliminate the points issue?

Always learning but much happier now that i've got some track down. need to get some cork before pinning it then i can start working on the layout proper... :D

Cheers

Graeme
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Loxley Lane
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Re: First ever build, size is an issue!

Postby leopard » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:07 pm

with self isolating points you shouldn't have a problem with isolating connectors.

looks good though, not sure how you have done your board but something that may be worth considering if you can, take part of your village area, and cut it out as an access hole. keep the bit you cut out, make some lips for under the board so the bit you cut out can be put back, make it a car park, or some such single feature, you can open it if you need to..

also how are you handling uncoupling? thinking for allowing shunting remotely.

your prob right about getting some shunters and using them, without anywhere to really get a mainline train off the layout its proba good idea to stay small. :-)

looks good though

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Re: First ever build, size is an issue!

Postby Graymee » Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:03 pm

Hi Leopard,

I've just done a temp wiring link to the inner oval and that seems to be working fine, obviously sidings go dead when points are switched away so i think i'll need to take another link to the "yard area" so that i can still do shunting and leave something running around the inner oval? Not sure i'm gonna need those little clip things now then?

Yes i am just hand uncoupling at present and all points are hand operated for now. Will motorise all points in time and i have got an uncoupling ramp, i've been trying to use it but the problem i'm having is that it is permanently "live." i.e. always raised so when i drive anything over it it uncouples whether i want it to or not! I'm assuming that you can get a turnoffable one?? this one just sits between the rails wherever you want to put it. i would like to eventually do everything remotely...

as for an access hole, i have thought about it but as it's only a 6x4 board and i'm about 6'4" tall i don't have much problem in reaching all areas and i can get round the back easily too when needed. I haven't really decided on what i'm gonna do scenery wise, just bought a metcalfe kit today (two terraced houses) and also a 1:76 car to give me a visual aid to scale. I will probably have a clearer picture in my head when i can see how much relative space i have.

Thanks for the comments :D

Cheers

Graeme
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Re: First ever build, size is an issue!

Postby leopard » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:24 pm

its possible to mod the hornby type uncoupler, take the metal spring out it will now sit 'flat'. and can be made to lift by poking a small rod through from below, its not exactly easy though.

they are a pain but they work, the idea is that if you are pulling stuff over them it won't uncouple. which is fine unless you are going slo, like you would in a siding.. doh.

if you can get all round the board you won't need the access hole... and as for 6'4"... you sir I look up to.

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Re: First ever build, size is an issue!

Postby bombadillic » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:02 pm

Looking good Graymee, glad you finally got your plan sorted and got some more track laid. I'm expecting things to take off at a pace now?

Just posted some updates for Lodge Valley so thought I'd pop in to see how you were getting on. Busy weekend modelling?

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Re: First ever build, size is an issue!

Postby bizzyd6405 » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:15 am

i see that you've gone done the dcc route, the same as i'm planning to i just wondered how it worked on your layout seen as mines the same size.

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Re: First ever build, size is an issue!

Postby Graymee » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:56 pm

Hi darren,

Yes i decided to go DCC, the first set i bought was DC so i will eventually use that controller for powering lights and point motors, but the DCC control is great. takes a bit of getting used to though.
As i've never had a "trainset" before, even DC is new to me but since i laid the track and started playing with the DCC i have had a couple of very near "Head-ons" :shock:

With the bachman controller i can still run my DC loco on address 10, it does make some starnge noise though ??

Cheers

Graeme
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Re: First ever build, size is an issue!

Postby beerandpies » Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:33 pm

The noise is because the 16v AC signal of the DCC controller is trying to emulate the 16v DC signal of the normal controller. The problem is that doing this generates more heat and strain on the motor. For this reason it's not recommended that your run your DC loco on the DCC controller. Better to chip it when you can than risk damaging it.

It's nice to see that DCC set, it was one of my potential purchases when I started with OO gauge. Looking forward to seeing your layout progress
cheers, Mark.
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Re: Loxley Lane, 6x4, 00 layout

Postby bizzyd6405 » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:25 am

the starter set i got was dc too, but i'm going to replace it with a dcc controler so glad to hear that it is a good method to use, thinking about getting the hornby select, i'm also thinking about having a go at making the points dcc controlled however if that becomes to complicated i'll probably end up using the dc controller for it .

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Re: Loxley Lane, 6x4, 00 layout

Postby Graymee » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:06 am

Thanks for that B&P I was thinking about chipping my little dc 0-4-0 at some point in the future so i'll probably just leave it alone until then...

The two little shunters are great considering how much they actually cost each when you break down what's in the set. I was a bit put off initially as on the packaging they look very "toy like" but the coulours are actually quite muted in reality and with a bit of weathering (when i lean how to do weathering :? ) they will look even better.

Can anyone recommend a good website/book to teach a muppet with no art skills at all how best to do weathering etc...? :roll: :oops:

I've started building my first Metcalfe kit and it's coming together really well, i haven't really done anything like it in the past, a few airfix models when i was a kid (oh and i attempted one afew years back but soon got fed up as it was a cheap kit and didn't really fit together well.) I'm getting more of an idea of how i want the layout to look now that i can see how the building looks and what size it is.

I'm still waiting on some cork arriving at my lms. Should be today or tomorrow hopefully so i can get my track laid proper! :D

Cheers

Graeme
Nostalgia ain't what it used to be!
My layout thread:-
Loxley Lane
I started another thread for trackplanning, if anyone is interested
My trackplan thread

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Re: Loxley Lane, 6x4, OO layout

Postby Graymee » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:18 pm

But of an update.

Still waiting for cork to arrive at my LMS so track still not laid proper :cry: Been assured it will be here on tuesday. Fingers crossed. If anyone is intested btw my local shop is very very good value, http://www.benhamsonline.com/index.php I've just been to the exhibition in Mansfield today and his prices were considerably better than the other three dealers that were there, and even e-bay prices can't compete most of the time. and i'm not on commission :)

There were some interesting layouts there today, the most impressive being Kirkby Steven. Very big indeed, made me a liitle jealous when i came home to my little 6x4 :mrgreen: So when i got home i looked in my loft... We bought a newbuild house about 8 mths ago and i've never looked in the loft?? Now that i have i think the plan to move the layout to the double garage may have just gone out of the window.
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Size can't really be appreciated from this pic but i estimate at 35x25 give or take a foot or two. Length should be all useable, width i reckon at least twelve feet between the annoying timberwork. I've seen others which have used the "v" in the roof supports to hold the trackbed, so don't see why i can't do the same. Need to get some prices for flooring and some of that insulating membrane to go inside the rafters but i think it may well be a goer, especially as mrs graymee has said that some storage along the eves "would come in very handy." :P :D :wink:

The main reason for going into the loft was to shift some stuff in order to improve my "railway room." I had an old gateleg table in the garage which i kept about six years ago "cos it might come in useful one day." Well it has now found a use as my modelling table!
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check out the nearly completed Metcalfe terraced houses...

So not been too bad a day overall. :)

found this the other day, i've posted the link on the scenery pages but thought there was no harm in putting it on here aswell. http://www.aidan-campbell.co.uk/Weather_Guide.shtml A fairly good basic intro to weathering.

Ok that's about all for now,

Cheers

Graeme
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