Curzon Street Station

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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby mumbles » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:08 pm

traincrazy1 wrote:
to power my points initially then later the lights

DON'T power the lights from the same output as the point motors, as whenever you change a point the lights will flicker very noticeably!

that's not what he was saying is it? the gaugemaster controller he says has 1 output, 12vdc for lights, the other is the accessories for point motors. they will be independent of each other and won't cause a flicker. I have a panel that was powered with a gaugemaster D, the leds from the 12v, the motors from the 16v and there was never a flicker when changing points

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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby traincrazy1 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:14 am

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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby Direct Rail Services » Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:43 pm

Thanks for that Mr Mumbles. A Guagemaster D Controller you reckon would be suitable.

On a side note, my new Signal box arrived today from Rails of Sheffield, i must says its stunning! I would really recommend an of the Bachmann Scenecraft buildings. A tad expensive but I would say well worth it, I now awaiting another order from The Signal Box in Kent who will be sending me the pointwork and remaining track i need to get cracking!.

Many Thanks and HAPPY NEW YEAR !!! :D :D

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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby HenryBlue » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:20 pm

like the plan but personally I think the old one gave the locos more distance, ect.

nevertheless, keep it up mate.
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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby mumbles » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:27 am

Direct Rail Services wrote:Thanks for that Mr Mumbles. A Guagemaster D Controller you reckon would be suitable.


suitable... but overkill if you are not running trains on it. the gaugemaster M1 would supply 2 16v AC for a little more than half the price, but you would need to convert one 16v ac to 12v dc for your LEDs. I think that's a job for a bridge rectifier, one of the electrically minded people will be able to answer that more accurately.
see a M1 here
http://www.gaugemaster.com/modules.html
you want to get a cased controller really, unless you really know what you are doing with electrics.
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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby zabdiel » Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:28 am

A bridge rectifier will give you unregulated DC signal with 14.6V peaks. I think you'll be able to use that for you LEDs as if it was a 12DC regulated signal - the LEDs will flash 100 times a second but you won't be able to see that.

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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby Direct Rail Services » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:54 pm

Happy New Year everyone!.

The rest of the track arrived last week, but i havent had to time to even take it down the garge let alone lay any of it!!!

But lack of work doesnt mean lack of idea's!!! :D :D

I decided that there will be two stations, the main Curzon St with four or five platforms forming the main terminus on the layout, and a much smaller station that only local London Midland services will call at located on the break between the storage area and the main board, called Lawley Street.

Lawley Street will have a platform 'length' of two cars in both directions, however only one cars length will be on show the other end of the platform will be hidden under the bridge that will form the senic break, the platforms will be connect by a Bachmann Senecraft concrete footbridge, the 'access' to the station 'is' on the other side of the road bridge. The platforms will extend under the bridge to a point just so it doesnt look strange on the senic section.

Also im going to extend the fuelling roads on Adderley Park TMD to have enough room for at least x3 Class 60/66 length locomotives.

Hopefully i can get some work done over the coming days but it looking more like it will be next week until i can get stuck in!.

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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby Direct Rail Services » Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:48 pm

Whilst the wife and kids were at school this afternoon I managed to get some work in on Curzon Street. When I say work I really mean playing with alternative track layouts, I tried running the mainlines round the back of the board with the TMD area in front but this gave the entry roads to the TMD way to sharp and unworkable, so I stuck with the orginal plan of the TMD at the back and the mainlines in front, but Ive put in a slight curve to them in order to break up the straightness of the model.

Ive also changed the names of the different locations on the layout in keeping with the Birmingham area setting the following changes have been made:

Curzon Street Station - Remains.
Adderley Park TMD - Bescort Locomotive Servicing / Stabling and Fuelling Point (BC). (Not to be confused with Bescot SD :D ).
Adderley Park West Junction - Camp Hill Junction.

And a new one:
Proof House DMU Stabling and Fuelling Point (PH).

Camp Hill Junction and Signal Box:
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Camp Hill Box and my new CDA Covered Hopper:
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Bescort Locomotive Servicing / Fueling and Stabling Point and remodelled mainlines:
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Proof House DMU Point and the remodelled entry road from the mainlines:
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The carriage washing plant and avoiding line, the headshunt has been extended to allow a five car Class 221 to use the wash and then avoiding line:
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An overview of the newly remodelled station area, the two mainlines have been grouped together into one set of platforms and the single face platfomr has been moved across the station to the shunt neck side, there is also a slight curve on the station throat to enable the widening on the platforms:
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As Curzon Street is set only a few miles from Tyseley Steam Centre, and in keeping with it neighbour Moor Street, Curzon Street has its own Kettle:
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Problem:
With Dungeness the track plan was very simple, so I just started laying the track at Dungeness and worked round, no problem. But with Curzon Street its quite complex track layout, Im not sure were to start track laying? I was going to start in Bescort Depot and work towards Camp Hill Junction, then back round to Curzon Street, with Proof House DMU point being last. Any suggestions?

Also one more double check question..... :shock: :roll: :wink: .....

Were to I need to use the plastic fishplates? Im I right in thinking its on the two innner rails on each point? Once Ive done this do I need to add any wires to the points in order for power to pass over them? Im going to bus up the lines with addtional feeds on each track end.

Many Thanks.

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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby barks » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:15 pm

hi bud,

Also one more double check question..... .....

Were to I need to use the plastic fishplates? Im I right in thinking its on the two innner rails on each point? Once Ive done this do I need to add any wires to the points in order for power to pass over them? Im going to bus up the lines with addtional feeds on each track end.


with dcc every piece has to be live all the time,
using insulfrogs solder both rails as normal,
using electrofrogs use insulated fish plates on the 2 inner rails ( the frog), some people also rewire the frogs to recieve a feed from a relay.
a decent loco diesel will pick up from both ends so will run smooth over insul frogs.

this is how i did it and its all fine.

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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby hairyhandedfool » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:11 am

Direct Rail Services wrote:....Problem:
With Dungeness the track plan was very simple, so I just started laying the track at Dungeness and worked round, no problem. But with Curzon Street its quite complex track layout, Im not sure were to start track laying? I was going to start in Bescort Depot and work towards Camp Hill Junction, then back round to Curzon Street, with Proof House DMU point being last. Any suggestions?....


I lay the track out as I want it, all joined up, if there is one complex junction I start tacking down there, if not I pick one point as the most complex place and work outwards from there. Where there are long straights I tack both ends, then the centre.

Direct Rail Services wrote:....Also one more double check question..... :shock: :roll: :wink: .....

Were to I need to use the plastic fishplates? Im I right in thinking its on the two innner rails on each point? Once Ive done this do I need to add any wires to the points in order for power to pass over them? Im going to bus up the lines with addtional feeds on each track end.

Many Thanks.

DRS.


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To explain, here we have an Electrofrog point. The red lines show where plastic joiners are needed, blue and green lines are the respective feeds (not usual colouring I know but I was in a hurry!). if the next piece of track is another point, the power feeds should go after that point and you will need four plastic joiners.

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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby zabdiel » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:37 am

You're relying on the point blades for conduction there - which will work fine to start with but as soon as you get dirt it will start being dodgy. Ideally you need to wire the frog/point blades to a switch which connects them to which ever rail they are physically connected to. It's much easier to do when you're building the layout than afterwards.

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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby DB » Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:33 pm

Hopefully this will help a little :)

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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby Direct Rail Services » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:36 pm

I managed to get a little bit done on Curzon Street this evening, work focusing on making a start on temp. tracklaying at Bescort LIP, and Camp Hill Junction.

Ive put in the isolated fishplates as intructed (cheers people) and cut the first few yards of track to size. Before I cracked on with the tracklaying I looked into added a reverseable loop line to the innner side of the mainline, starting from the Camp Hill end of Bescort LIP and then extending round to a point just short of the main station throat, lengthwise it would be able to take a Class 221 (5 Car) or a short Autoballaster Rake 5 + Loco. But whether this happens or not is dependent on a more detailed costing and planning excrise, as im not up to that point in the track laying and wont be for a little while it isnt a major priorty at the minute.

Anyway picture time,

Bescort LIP with the track in the final position:
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Looking round the depot entry road to Camp Hill Junction, with the two incomplete mainlines to the right, the proposed loop will run between the mainline and the entry road, the turnout for this end of the line will be attached the the end of the curve on the left:
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Camp Hill Junction and Signal Box under contruction:
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Track alignment testing underway with the electrictification van and CDA:
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Looking down from the Camp Hill area of Birmingham onto the junction:
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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby Direct Rail Services » Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:56 pm

Why is it in railway modelling you take three steps forward, then five backwards ?

Well I managed to get the head of steel right round to the station throat this evening but on testing I uncovered some poor running and a few fishplates that werent in correctly, and just wasnt happy with the 'feel' :roll: of the curves from Camp Hill round to the station throat.

So, I ripped it all up again well back to Camp Hill anyway. Camp Hill Junction has been remodelled with the extended ladder from the Depot Neck across to the mainline being removed and the mainline points moved up to form one long ladder junction.

Before the remodelled, with the slight curve in the mainline and extended junction:
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And after remodelling, a more visually pleasing appearance and more consistant runnning:
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As above from the Bescort end:
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Re: Curzon Street Station

Postby barks » Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:48 pm

looking a lot better drs,

for the best running solder the rails to the fishplates mate.

regards

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