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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby Pedanticmongrel » Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:31 pm

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Pedanticmongrel wrote:The GWR cathedral class is the King class, they changed the name of the class because the first one went to the USA and it had to carry an even grander name than a cathedral, so they named it after a monarch, strangly tho, I'm sure the most famous british king in history didn't have a loco named after him, (Henry VIII).

I was curious about this as I was sure the class worked through all the Kings, so a quick trip to Wikipedia says that 6013 was King Henry VIII. There is full info about the loco, so I assume it definitely ran under this name.


Ahh ok, seems I missed this little nugget, the GWR didn't however run through all the kings because there is no King Arthur? and I'm sure there have been more than 30 Kings of England? and there were only 30 60xx Kings.
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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby guitardave_1 » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:33 pm

Pedanticmongrel wrote:
guitardave_1 wrote:
Pedanticmongrel wrote:The GWR cathedral class is the King class, they changed the name of the class because the first one went to the USA and it had to carry an even grander name than a cathedral, so they named it after a monarch, strangly tho, I'm sure the most famous british king in history didn't have a loco named after him, (Henry VIII).

I was curious about this as I was sure the class worked through all the Kings, so a quick trip to Wikipedia says that 6013 was King Henry VIII. There is full info about the loco, so I assume it definitely ran under this name.


Ahh ok, seems I missed this little nugget, the GWR didn't however run through all the kings because there is no King Arthur? and I'm sure there have been more than 30 Kings of England? and there were only 30 60xx Kings.

There was indeed no King Arthur loco, and arguably no such person in the first place, but that's another matter entirely, and one which I know little about!!

AFAIK, the Kings were named starting with the most recent and working backwards until the locos ran out, and so the earliest Kings of England didn't get a loco named after them.

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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby redline41190 » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:51 pm

That seems to make sense, and I'm sure the GWR didnt want much to do with the SR, and naming an engine King Arthur would have been a bit odd as there was an entire class (including a loco) named after him, which were also built first.

and going back to the Cathedral Class.... See here :wink: Exeter Cathedral
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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby Black-Marlin » Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:24 pm

guitardave_1 wrote:There was indeed no King Arthur loco, and arguably no such person in the first place, but that's another matter entirely, and one which I know little about!!


There was a person in fifth century Britain known as the Dux Britannicus. He really did exist, but it is by his later name that he is better known: he became 'King Arthur'. He was a war leader, and may have united certain parts of Britain in battle (though against whom I'm not sure), but there any factual information stops. The stories and legends (and nomenclature) surrounding him are a much later (ie mediaeval) affectation. To my knowledge, though, there is no locomotive called 'Dux Britannicus'. Maybe someday I'll rename a King Arthur!

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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby Pedanticmongrel » Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:54 pm

yeah all i knew is i remember being told in a history lesson at school that King Henry VII's son Arthur was destined to become King Arthur II until he died tragically young.
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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby sishades » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:01 pm

King Arthur is a myth and NEVER existed. As someone who knows quite a bit about British history I can assure you this to be true. He was invented in the later part of the first millenium as a folk hero and was prominent in Welsh poetry. Thats it.
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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby Black-Marlin » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:23 pm

sishades wrote:King Arthur is a myth and NEVER existed. As someone who knows quite a bit about British history I can assure you this to be true. He was invented in the later part of the first millenium as a folk hero and was prominent in Welsh poetry. Thats it.


Hmm. I'm not making any defence for Arthur, Merlin, Lancelot, Round Tables or anything else, but I remember as an undergraduate one of my lecturers referring to the Dux circa 496 - 542 AD, and stating that they may have inspired a whole load of later embellishment (such as the Welsh poetry). The lecturer wasn't a historian - he was an expert on Early English and, later, Chaucer; if I run into him this week I'll maybe ask what it was precisely that he had in mind. So, as I say, I'm not advocating the existence of the 'once and future king', I'm just wondering who it was that inspired the legends, however inaccurate, that later developed.

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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby Pedanticmongrel » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:37 pm

real or not, at least King Arthur had the potential to be real unlike say Jesus. :lol:
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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby PeterH » Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:38 pm

There is substancial proof that Jesus existed, whether he was the Son of God, is less clear, and anyway all that lot is entirely irrelevant.

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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby PeterH » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:11 pm

Yesterday I went to visit Dan, bringing most of my loco fleet with me to run on Wenchford. Below are some photos we took. There will be a video on its way in due course.

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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby allesclar » Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:00 am

some really nice photos there :)
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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby PeterH » Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:22 pm

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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby mattmay05 » Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:04 pm

great Pics and video!

I hope to meet up with mr Wenchford soon, been a while! (Damn that diabetes)

Great stuff.

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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby Pedanticmongrel » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:10 am

mattmay05 wrote:great Pics and video!

I hope to meet up with mr Wenchford soon, been a while! (Damn that diabetes)

Great stuff.


MR WENCHFORD??!! LOL!!
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Re: The Wenchford Railway

Postby Pedanticmongrel » Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:31 pm

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