BR/NSE N gauge layout

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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby kas1611 » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:04 am

I want first refusal on the Wessex!

Actually if you ever want a sideline I'd consider paying for a Wessex or 4CIG/CEP any day.


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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby briantwigley » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:47 am

I second that, I'd pay anything for one of those!


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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby zabdiel » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:45 pm

Grahame wrote:Hmm, despite re-sizing to 600x800 I must admit I'm not very impressed by the way these pics are displayed on this forum
with a up/down slider to view completely - very poor. It ought be improved to display the complete picture.

I found that if I clicked on the pictures they displayed in the post without the scroll bar. Not great but better than scrolling. I'm using firefox - not sure if it'll work the same on IE.

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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby Grahame » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:47 pm

For those interested in the Southern EMUs I wrote an article about how to build and motorise them that was published in the April and May 2008 issues of 'Railway Modeller'. Also check out the following link for further information and step by step pics about using brass overlays to make an EPB unit; ... pb#p387065

For the inlay type I wrote an article that was published in the NGS journal a few years ago which I've pasted below. Unfortunately I've no idea what happened to the pictures;

Using TPM coach inlays

I’ve read in previous issues of the journal requests for information about how to use the TPM inlays to convert Farish coaches. A range of these inlay conversion kits is available from the Society Shop and specialist N gauge traders at exhibitions or directly from TPM in a choice of pre-coloured liveries. They are designed to convert Farish coaches in to other variants not available or to make up an EMU from a number of coaches. Hopefully this article provides some helpful advise about their use.

The inlays are suitable for converting the old ‘Poole’ style Farish coaches with removable window inlay strips. The later coaches with a one piece clear body shell that have the livery printed directly on them, are not suitable. Unfortunately the old style coaches that are suitable are now getting difficult to source. The best option is to check out second-hand stalls at exhibitions, but remember to check carefully and ensure that they are the ones with separate removable inlays before parting with your cash. Or, of course, you may well have some suitable ones in your old collection.

There are a few considerations when selecting and using the inlays. Firstly, I believe that because the inlay strip is relatively broad (about half the height of the coach) and runs along the entire coach length, multi-coloured striped liveries, such as blue and grey, jaffa cake and NSE work best where the livery colour changes at the waistband height. Single colour liveries such as all blue or all maroon tend to allow the inlay strip to show up as a separate fitting and matching the paint colour on the lower body side with the pre-coloured inlay livery so that it’s not noticeable can be difficult.

Basically the TPM inlays are direct replacements for the Farish ones and full instructions are contained in the instructions that come with them. However, there is some work that is required to ensure that a neat and reasonable job is made of the conversion;

1) Coach preparation;

Completely strip down the coach - removing roof, interior, bogies and complete sole/bar and/or under-frame mouldings. Remove the original inlay strips – they simply pull away but take care not to break the coach moulding. The strips are held in pace by small pips that locate in to holes. If the pips break off simply push them out to leave the indentation clear and clean of any plastic swarf. Carefully cut/file away any raised relief, such as door hinges, to leave a smooth body finish. Then strip the paintwork if required, and clean, prime and paint with the livery colour you require (see photo #1). However, before painting there could be two other stages that may need to be completed before fitting the inlays although it is possible to carry them out after painting without any obvious adverse look. See section 3 and 4.

2) Prepare the new inlays.

Carefully cut the new inlays from the plastic sheet. Take great care not to undercut the height. It’s far better to allow for removing a bit by filing to make a snug fit rather than end up with a sloppy loose fit that you can’t do anything about.

a) Use a straight steel edge, to cut against, carefully lined up with the cutting marks printed on the inlay plastic.
b) Ensure that the steel edge/rule is protecting the printed area and make sure that you do not cut in any of the printed area.
c) Hold the blade upright and try to ensure a vertical (not angled) cut.
d) Cut from the printed side using gentle long cutting stokes.
e) You will probably need to make several passes of the blade to cut through the plastic. Do not press hard or the plastic will lump up at the sides of the cut making the inlays difficult to sit properly in the inlay recess.
f) Do not partially cut or score and then bend or flex and snap. This will tear the uncut side of the plastic and leave a ragged edge.
g) Cut them over long – do not cut the ends off yet.

Test fit by flexing the inlay in to the appropriate position on the coach and trim if necessary for an accurate fit on the top and bottom edges. Still do not cut them to length yet.

3) Cutting to length

For liveries where the window strip colour runs the full length of the coach to the extreme ends there is a part of the coach body at each end that effectively boxes in the inlay recess that will need to be removed (see photo #1). This can easily be carried out with a craft knife and file. However, for liveries, such as blue and grey, where the grey window stripe does not run to the ends of the coach these lips should be left in place and when painted blue will form the correct framed livery look. If they are removed the inlays can be cut to slightly over length and trimmed back to be flush with the coach ends once glued in to position. If the lips are left in place the inlay will need to be cut carefully to the exact length before fitting.

4) Removing the bits obscuring the new windows

When you offer up the new inlays in place you will probably notice that some of the old vertical body sections/frames/pillars between the old windows will obscure the new windows (see photo #2). It’s worth checking against different coaches and using those that help minimise this happening as these will need to be trimmed away to be able to see through the windows. Extreme care is required here to ensure that the structural integrity of the coach is not compromised. Some pieces may just require thinning down to be hidden behind the new coach side sections between the windows while others may require to be completely removed (see photo #3).

5) Fitting the inlays

Test fit the inlays before final assembly to check everything looks correct and that they fit well. Paint the inside of any frosted toilet windows with an appropriate colour and tint any windows that require it on the inside. It is also easier to paint any high level recognition stripes such as yellow for first class and red for restaurant before fitting the inlays. Finally when everything is dry and fits well re-assemble and glue in place as necessary.

Next you can add any interior details required and then glue on the roof. Before mating back on the under-frame it’s a good time to take the opportunity to upgrade it with an Ultima etched under-frame kit available from the Society Shop. These are fairly straightforward to fit and will vastly improve the look of you new model (see photo #5). And it’s also worthwhile upgrading any old shiny road-roller pizza cutter flanged wheels with the new finer profile blackened ones.

I’ve used the TPM inlays to successfully make up several Southern region Mk1 coach based dc third rail EMUs such as a jaffa-cake liveried class 411 4–CEP (see photo #5), Network SouthEast liveried 421 4-CIG, and blue/grey 423 4-VEP (see photo #4). And I know many others have used them to extend their range of coaching stock options.


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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby Tank » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:39 pm

Not having the time is my problem. :( Maybe in 40 years when I retire. :lol:
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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby Metrocamel » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:02 pm

Amazing stuff! Looks like a real urban line. The Class 60 is the best! :)
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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby Grahame » Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:04 pm

A couple of more pics?.......

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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby barks » Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:09 pm


what more can i say


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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby sheep21 » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:08 pm

gorgeous layout, almost makes me want to convert to N from 00. More pictures please. :)

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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby ste234 » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:19 am

This is one of the best layouts i have seen for modern era times, its superb! :D
Your attention to detail is amazing!
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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby Grahame » Mon May 11, 2009 10:38 pm

lmsrail wrote:Loving the 08 are you planing on weathering it?

Yep. Done it;

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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby bigbob » Mon May 11, 2009 10:57 pm

Unbelievable and inspirational, respect! 8)

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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby Thunderbird » Wed May 13, 2009 10:02 am

Whenever I'm lost for inspiration or need a little hint/tip this is one of the layouts that i search out. We used to live in a block of flats like them when i was a kid, but we lived on the non-railway side.

top quality work (as always) and thank you for sharing it with us.
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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby Grahame » Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:23 pm

SLD is going to be at this weekends (3rd and 4th Oct) Manchester Exhibition.


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Re: BR/NSE N gauge layout

Postby Grahame » Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:00 am

As featured in the current (December 2009) issue of Hornby Magazine.


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