Real Difference Between N & OO?

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Re: Real Difference Between N & OO?

Postby georgehgv » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:11 am

YeovilGlover84 wrote:Thanks to everyone for the information and advice.

Thanks to ParkeNd for the pictures and video. Really surprised about the detail, and just how much you can get on to a relatively small space.

I am leaning towards N gauge, helped by the internet showing me that I can get "Tornado" in scale.

Thanks all!


I have Blue Tornado in N Gauge (amongst many others ), I think it looks terrific, in fact I sold all my OO and downscaled to N last year, space saving being a large consideration but I actually feel N Gauge looks better, the reason being that the details are obviously a lot smaller than OO and in my opinion look better proportioned.

The improvements to N Gauge recently have been truly amazing I would recommend it but they can be very tricky to work on if you want to take the locos apart.

Good luck whatever you choose and as others have said touchy feely best way, N seemed minute at first to me but now when I see OO it looks far too big.

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Re: Real Difference Between N & OO?

Postby Emettman » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:59 am

georgehgv wrote: N seemed minute at first to me but now when I see OO it looks far too big.

Geo


While we G-scalers are barely in charge of our lumbering mammoths?

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Re: Real Difference Between N & OO?

Postby ParkeNd » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:39 pm

I took this picture this morning for a post on my own thread.

There are people better at this than me - this is my first layout. But this is a slice of baseboard just 20 inches long. The two buildings are just one and three quarters of an inch tall and were scratch built from the kind of card used for picture framing. The locos and rolling stock nowadays are even more detailed than this.

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Re: Real Difference Between N & OO?

Postby YeovilGlover84 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:57 pm

This is the room where I will be setting up. (just done quickly while at work on lunch)...

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Re: Real Difference Between N & OO?

Postby Emettman » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:44 pm

YeovilGlover84 wrote:This is the room where I will be setting up. (just done quickly while at work on lunch)...

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Excellent...

This is just generic :

Leaving the door alone (if re-hanging to open outwards is a possibility, a bit more space opens up,) in OO or N the right hand wall looks inviting for a nice straight terminus, essentially on a shelf, at bottom right just clearing door and then not growing so wide as to restrict access.

The squarish section remaining looks inviting again for an around the walls mainline, single or double, probably a little lower than the terminus on the right wall so a storage line or two can be hidden there, underneath.
Just where the room narrows is where the main oval will require a movable bridge, or flap section, or gate section, would be required to give access to the central operating area.
(Unless you are young and flexible and happy to duck. But you will get older.)
Somewhere on the main line there would need to be a means of turning trains round to get them heading back towards the terminus.
A through station with one or more terminal bays, probably.
In N a return loop would be feasible, but would not be easy to do here in 00: just too wide!

In N, as ParkeNd has shown, the idea of a single board without a central operating area is more viable.
And detail and appearance isn't an issue.
With N, a single rectangular board across the room at the drawing's top edge might excellent (with the temptation for a narrow branch line to creep back down that right hand wall, of course, perhaps later on,) A triangular junction as it joined the main line would provide it's own return loop.

Definitely more room for choice with track plans in N, and that opens up more possibility of modelling or taking inspiration from, a real location.
With 00 you will find yourself more designing to get the best from the room, which is a somewhat different challenge.

If you don't need an oval where trains can be left to run... even more possibilities.
Sorry, this is moving away somewhat from the N / 00 question.
(There's a separate section for track planning!)


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Re: Real Difference Between N & OO?

Postby Dad-1 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:33 pm

You've made no mention of the type of layout you want.
What I mean by that is a roundy-roundy, or continious run, as opposed to an end to end layout.

For continious run in a small space 'N' offers many more options. I personally don't have 'N' and prefer
'00', but my home layout is end to end & I prefer the larger locos & stock, this not causing me any
difficulties on my 5 metre x 305 mm layout ...... I love shunting & squeezed 6 tracks wide in 305 mm.

As has already been said go to a local exhibition to see both scales in operation. Yeovil has a club, or
association of clubs that operate out of a farm barn at Martock. If you want I can find the contact
details & perhaps you can arrange a visit ?
There have been several exhibitions in & around Yeovil this year, I was operating a '00' layout at RNAS
Easter time.

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Re: Real Difference Between N & OO?

Postby Grahame » Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:37 pm

8' x 5' in OO might be feasible but I'd suggest than not only will it limit train lengths but it will mean potentially unrealistic tight radius bends, reduced straight sections and overall potentially a toy train set look rather than a model railway layout. N gauge would certainly give you the spacious look and feel of real railways and the ability to have a realistic railway running in the landscape with full length trains.

But its horses for courses - you could even get some O/7mm scale trains on a board that size. And at the end of the day it's best to go with what fits your plans and ambition best. All scales/gauges have their benefits and their pitfalls.

G.

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Re: Real Difference Between N & OO?

Postby willintas » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:26 am

ParkeNd wrote:I took this picture this morning for a post on my own thread.

There are people better at this than me - this is my first layout. But this is a slice of baseboard just 20 inches long. The two buildings are just one and three quarters of an inch tall and were scratch built from the kind of card used for picture framing. The locos and rolling stock nowadays are even more detailed than this.

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That looks Fantastic mate-lovely use of trees and colours-Grabbed me straight away!!-Terrific scene.

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Re: Real Difference Between N & OO?

Postby LukeB » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:26 am

I have just had to dismantle a similar size OO layout to what you are planning and am moving to a smaller N gauge one. The OO layout had space for a station and not much else. My new N gauge layout will allow me to model much more scenery and longer trains- the OO trains would just get fully on the straight at the front before having to turn off into the background again!

However, if you are happy with a layout where you shunt stock around rather than have a full loop of track then OO can work nicely. I am building a 3 foot long OO layout. As above, try and see the real thing and look at the layouts in the under construction forum on here. Not gauge works for me but you may prefer OO.

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Re: Real Difference Between N & OO?

Postby Kentishman » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:23 am

Hello YeovilGlover84,
Beer is highly recommended - in your case I'm referring to Pecorama ( http://www.pecorama.info/ ) at Beer, given that you live at Yeovil. From Yeovil its about 32 miles and just over an hour by car. Admission to the exhibition only is £2.20 for adults and they have on display about 15 layouts of various gauges including four OO and two N, each demonstrating how a layout might be set up in every room in a house (except the bathroom and kitchen). The standard of modelling is excellent. There is a well stocked shop and parking is free.

Buffers ( http://www.buffersmodelrailways.com ) on the A358 at Colston Cross, North of Axminster is well stocked for OO and N gauge and staff are very helpful. However, there are no demonstration tracks set up at present.

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Re: Real Difference Between N & OO?

Postby Pete » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:21 am

Hi

I think this has already been said, but N Gauge does allow you to have long sweeping curves, which is great for loooong trains without them looking like a rough hexagon as they go round:

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And you can get great detail with a bit of effort:

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The above are Continental N, so a tad smaller than UK N, 1/160th.

I'm more of a fan of an out and back than a loop, but I rarely have time to play, I'd rather be making, so once I finish a layout I tend to be thinking about starting another :? and before you know it the previous layout has gone to make space...

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Re: Real Difference Between N & OO?

Postby b308 » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:29 am

Pete wrote:The above are Continental N, so a tad smaller than UK N, 1/160th.


Pretty much the same size as UK locos, Pete. As the German locos are in Real Life much bigger than ours all the British scale of 1:148 as opposed to theirs of 1:160 does is make our locos the same size as theirs just as it does with OO/HO!

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Re: Real Difference Between N & OO?

Postby Trainfish » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:44 am

ParkeNd wrote:Size is the difference. OO is 4x the volume of N gauge.


8 times surely? Twice as long x twice as wide x twice as high = 8
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Re: Real Difference Between N & OO?

Postby b308 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:29 am

It depends what you are talking about, a loco would be volume I suppose but for layouts Freezer always said double (or halve) the dimensions, so a 4x2 layout in N will need 8x4 in OO or vice versa! I took this photo a while ago to show the difference between scales, also showing how narrow gauge fitted in:

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From left to right:

Oe narrow gauge (O scale 1:45, 16.5mm gauge),
HO standard gauge (1:87 scale),
HOm narrow gauge (HO scale/12mm gauge track),
HOe narrow gauge (HO scale 9mm track),
TT standard gauge (1:120 scale),
TTe narrow gauge (1:120 scale, 6.5mm gauge),
N standard gauge (1:160 scale),
Z standard gauge (1:220 scale).


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