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Re: How many in favor of a more prototypical 'n' dcc 31

Postby red death » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:31 pm

As I said I am very sceptical that the ISM shell is much more than a modified Farish one, but hey ho it is your cash :roll:

If it is that much of an issue for you then why not follow Grahame's advice (or wait patiently).

Grahame has pretty accurately spelt out my feelings on the 31 ie it isn't perfect but it isnt bad, and perhaps more importantly the commercial realities.

Whilst there is still so much for any manufacturer to make I just can't see the demand for a new 31 (or 87, or 90, or 158 which seem to be the other common requests for duplication).

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Re: How many in favor of a more prototypical 'n' dcc 31

Postby Grahame » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:45 pm

BROADTRAIN1979 wrote:Red death ....... :roll: The chassis on the 31 is fine! the body isnt! the characteristics are wrong and Ian stoates have the correct profiles and it isnt just me saying the farish 31 isnt correct body wise! so there it is!
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I'm not sure what you mean about the 'profiles'. When I looked at it some time back the overall characteristic and impression seemed fine to me. There were some issues but they are all things that could easily be rectified;

Pros;
* The class 31 is one of the few Farish diesels with quarter light cab-side glazing bars.
* The inserted glazing seems clearer and sharper than the original as well as giving a fairly convincing flush glazed look.
* An excellent rendition of the roof mounted fan grill with impression of the fan below.
* The overall plastic body is possibly crisper than the Poole produced models due to the higher moulding pressures used in China.
* The new chassis has twin flywheels providing an enhanced performance over the old Farish chassis.
* The bogie side-frames are particularly good representations of the class 31.
* Unusually for Farish, cab steps are included on the bogie side-frames.
* High quality paint finish.
* The locomotive is fitted with the now standard blackened low profile wheels which helps give a general overall attractive impression.

Cons;
* Printed on cab-side handrails and front headlights (easily added from wire and Ratio light moulding).
* The roof panel lines are rather weak (deepen/define with knife/scorer).
* The body-side panel seams including the prominent horizontal one that runs completely around the locomotive at sole bar level are missing.
* The four corners of the roof appear to be far too angular and not sufficiently softly rounded (add filler to the undersides and file to correct profile).
* Fitted with crude plastic buffers with moulding lines across the front faces (simply replace with finer brass ones).

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Re: How many in favor of a more prototypical 'n' dcc 31

Postby BROADTRAIN1979 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:09 pm

:D
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Re: How many in favor of a more prototypical 'n' dcc 31

Postby BROADTRAIN1979 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:38 pm

:D
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Re: How many in favor of a more prototypical 'n' dcc 31

Postby red death » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:46 am

Seesh - you try and give some friendly advice and that is the reaction. :? If you don't want people's reactions (unless they agree with yours) - why post?

ISM - I just didn't want you to be disappointed when it wasn't the definitive 31 that you seem to be seeking.
About Farish - my point was that you might be waiting a long time for them to improve it when there are other priorities. If you wait for any manufacturer to hand you the perfect model on a plate you will be forever waiting...

But you're right, I just won't bother in future.

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Re: How many in favor of a more prototypical 'n' dcc 31

Postby Grahame » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:21 am

Grief, :shock: that's a rather irritable response and an unnecessary accusation of trawling. I was only giving advice as to why I think that Farish are unlikely to re-do the class 31 at least in the short term;

* It's not the most popular loco.
* There's one currently available and an even older Lima one that will have soaked up potential sales.
* AFAIA they don't do one in OO to shrink down.
* The current one was recently upgraded and is pretty accurate.

I wasn't expecting you to agree with me. However, I was also trying to provide some help with information as to how you could easily 'improve' and convert the current one to DCC. It certainly wouldn't require butchery - just a modicum of gentle modelling.

'Sigh' :(

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Re: How many in favor of a more prototypical 'n' dcc 31

Postby ASFC » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:28 pm

red death wrote:But you're right, I just won't bother in future.

M


Please do bother, yours and Grahame's sound advice has been helpful (to me at least).

Just to add to the debate, if someone did a new 31, I would not buy it. I'm quite happy with the 31 I own and have other spending priorities.

Personally I cannot understand the rush to provide everything 'DCC ready'! If DCC is your thing, then frankly you need to be prepared to do some fiddling under the bonnet of locos to get chips inside. I should point out that some of Dapol's offerings, despite claiming to have 6 pin sockets, will still not take certain chips, simply due to the small amount of space given over to the chip!
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Re: How many in favor of a more prototypical 'n' dcc 31

Postby THE CHIEF » Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:45 pm

Your in luck. Have a quick shooftie at the bachmann website, looks like a late addition...

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Re: How many in favor of a more prototypical 'n' dcc 31

Postby BROADTRAIN1979 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:34 pm

Thanks chief , Good to know . At present im very happy with my tpm version with sound .. but will be interested to see when these appear, i believe there will be 2 in green livery one with small yellow ends and one BR blue 31 173 :)

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Re: How many in favor of a more prototypical 'n' dcc 31

Postby BROADTRAIN1979 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:47 pm

:D
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Re: How many in favor of a more prototypical 'n' dcc 31

Postby BROADTRAIN1979 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:49 pm

:D :D
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Re: How many in favor of a more prototypical 'n' dcc 31

Postby BROADTRAIN1979 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:51 pm

:D :D
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Re: dcc 31 2013

Postby BROADTRAIN1979 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:16 pm

SORRY FOLKS this threads gone awol??? :oops: :oops:
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Re: dcc 31 2013

Postby Tank » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:25 pm

Errrr......why have you edited all of your posts? :shock:
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Re: dcc 31 2013

Postby THE CHIEF » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:36 pm

I think because the topic has changed from will they make one to they are making one. Saves starting a new one I supose :)


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