Class 08 shunter

Discussion of N gauge model railway specific products and related model railway topics (problems and solutions). (Graham Farish, Dapol, Peco)
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Class 08 shunter

Postby Michaelreedy71 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:19 am

Hi people was wondering if anyone knows a good model railway shops that i can purchase a n gauge chassis for the item in this picture
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Re: Class 08 shunter

Postby b308 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:20 pm

They don't sell the chassis separately (assuming it is a Graham Farish body) so the only way would be to buy a complete one and swap the body over.

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Re: Class 08 shunter

Postby heda » Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:20 pm

If you haven't done so it might be worth keeping an eye on ebay, all sorts of bits get listed, you might get lucky.
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Re: Class 08 shunter

Postby b308 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:47 pm

As an H0e/009 modeller we tend to get them, take the chassis for our use and end up with lots of bodies going spare!! ;)

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Re: Class 08 shunter

Postby Bigmet » Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:29 pm

As above, keep on fishing and also worth asking Bachmann UK. Sometimes they have mechanisms available. Only sometimes, but it came good for me once, and what's to lose?

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Re: Class 08 shunter

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Re: Class 08 shunter

Postby Michaelreedy71 » Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:49 pm

Wats The difference between 009 gauge and n gauge

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Re: Class 08 shunter

Postby Bigmet » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:58 pm

N gauge - standard gauge models scaled to run on 9mm gauge track.
OO9 - narrow gauge models running on 9mm gauge track, using OO's 4mm/ft scale. (Thus the 9mm gauge represents 2'3" gauge, or something that's fairly close to that.)

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Re: Class 08 shunter

Postby Mountain » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:58 pm

Think of 00 gauge first. Now halve the size (Scale) and one ends up with N gauge.

Now go back to thinking about 00 gauge. 00 gauge represents standard gauge models.
Now think of the narrow gauge version of 00 which naturally runs on narrower track. This is what 009 is. In other words 00 scale using 9mm track width which is why we call it 009.
Now 9mm track gauge width is used because it just so happens to be the same gauge width as N gauge uses, so it is convenient.
H0 (Which is used in Europe and America etc) and 00 run on the same track gauge width. The narrow gauge version of H0 is H0e which also runs on the same gauge track as 009 and N gauge. They all use 9mm gauge width out of convenience, so one can use N gauge mechanisms to power 009 or H0e loco kits if needed, and one can use N gauge wheels etc.

A similar situation is done through convenience with the larger scales as well where 0 gauge is roughly double the size as 00, so the narrow gauge version is 0-16.5 (00 and H0 gauge width is 16.5mm), so those modelling in 0 gauge (7mm to the foot scale) can use 00 gauge track width so we can make use of 00 and H0 gauge loco drive mechanisms and chassis, wheels etc because it is very convenient and makes things easier. We can mix 0-16.5 and 00 track if we want to though the scale of the sleepers will be different, but the trains will run on both easily with no problems.
Now 0-16.5 is the British version of the narrow gauge of 0. The European version is 0e and the American version is 0n30. All these can run on the same track as 00 and H0 as they share the same gauge. I hope this helps and gives you and understanding of the different scales and gauges.

The only extra bit of information one may come across is TT. Now TT is 3mm scale. It is half way between 00 and N in size. Triang came out with it for a while but it did not really have a large enough following for Triang to continue with it. This was before N gauge came around. Now I believe TT uses 12mm gauge width track. Why I mention this, is that in H0 gauge, if one wants to model the wider narrow gauge systems known as metre gauge which are not quite as wide as standard gauge, there is a model equivalent that uses this same 12mm gauge width but is in H0 scale and it is known as H0m. So we have H0e running on N gauge width track and H0m running on TT gauge width track.

The reason why modellers did this was in the early days of wanting to model in narrow gauge, there was nothing at all commercially available, so they naturally used the next popular scale down for the track, chassis and wheels etc and they would keep the larger scale dimensions for the rest to represent narrow gauge which is the most sensible way of doing it.
Along these lines, there are also other scale and gauge combinations. An example is where modellers want to represent the miniature railways like the Ffairborne Railway and others. To do this a popular way is to model in 0 scale, so all the people etc are in 0 scale, but use N gauge track. This scale and gauge combination is called 09.... So quite a lot out there actually will run on your N gauge track! They may not fit under your tunnels though! :D Also quite a lot will run on 00 gauge track as well etc.

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Re: Class 08 shunter

Postby b308 » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:52 am

TT is 1:120 scale, 2.54mm/ft. Triang bastardised it when they dabbled in the scale in the late fifties to allow their electric motors to fit in the steam locos so they used 1:100 scale, 3mm/ft, it's usually called TT3 to differentiate it from the proper TT scale. Both scales used 12mm gauge track which made Triang's stuff even worse than 00 scale using 16.5mm track! Currently TT is making a come-back as people have discovered that you can fit a lot in a small space like N but it's much easier to work with like H0/00. Tillig, Piko, Roco and lots of smaller manufacturers produce a large range of Continental locos and stock as well as buildings, accessories, etc..

TT's 12mm gauge track is used by H0 modellers, as Mountain says, to represent metre gauge, called H0m, in the UK we use 12mm gauge track with 00 scale to represent 3ft gauge prototypes, known as 00n3 (00 scale 1:76, n=narrow gauge, 3=3ft prototype gauge!). To be fair the nomenclature us narrow-gaugers use often are very confusing and have developed over time and usage meaning that we can even have two which mean the same thing such as the aforementioned 00n3 which Peco used to call 00-12 or 0012! There's a list on Wiki but it's far from exhaustive and has some glaring errors so best avoided. If you find something you're not sure of please ask!

Sorry for the drift!


Going back to the original question, 009 simply uses 00 scale (1:76, 4mm/ft) but N (9mm gauge) track to represent 2ft to 2ft 6ins gauge prototypes, i.e. Ffestiniog, Talyllyn, Welshpool, etc..


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