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New Member from Guernsey

Postby Spike » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:01 pm

Hi all.

Going to be asking lots and lots of questions as I have never owned a model train set before, My brother had one when we where kids so i got to play now and then.

With living in Guernsey I am limited to one model shop, so I will either be buying a lot of the set up on line as there is a limited amount that they can keep in the shop along with models and RC cars etc.

What is the preferred Gauge in UK, after a little research i found that there are a lot more manufactures that make HO scale but the owner of the model shop says that it is mainly for European market not the UK and 00 gauge is the common go to in UK. As I will be buying mainly online would it make a difference what gauge I got?

The set up will be in the Garage, I do not keep a car in there but do service my own bikes so will be looking at having it on a pulley system that I can raise or lower when needed, so if you could point me in the right direction as to how to do this it would be much appreciated. I have no idea of shapes or measurements yet as I will need to look through this forum for ideas but it will be in the region of 9x5 foot. I was thinking of either a hole in the middle for me to stand/sit in with the track going all around the edges or a cut out to one side but then there are problems with reaching across.

I am sure there will be many more questions as I go long but this will do to get me started.

Oh I am looking at DCC too


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Re: New Member from Guernsey

Postby End2end » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:44 pm

Hi Spike and welcome to the forum. :)
HO is modelled mainly on European prototypes but being only slightly different scale to 00 (1:87 instead of 1:76 if i remember rightly), some of the other non rolling stock items may be permissable like buildings, people etc.

Number 1 rule here is your friend... It's YOUR railway, do what YOU like.
So if you see a building you like in HO, go for it.

00 is prevelent in the U.K. as is N gauge (half the size of 00) in off the shelf items but other scales / gauges are open to you.
Track for 00 is sold by Peco, Hornby and Bachmann. The most prevelent I have seen is the use of Peco track. Wether as set pieces or "flex-track" lengths that can be laid in such a way to give a more gentle curve than set track peices.

Two peices of common advice are, don't use curved points and make sure you can reach ALL of the track to clean it.
Hope it helps.
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Re: New Member from Guernsey

Postby Spike » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:48 pm

Ah so the model shop owner was right about the HO, I thought as he did not sell it he was shooting me a yarn, he only does 00 and N Gauges.

Looks like 00 is the way to go.

Well that has got me started all I need to do now is figure out how to raise and lower the base and then work on set up.

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Re: New Member from Guernsey

Postby Dublo » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:17 pm

Welcome to the forum Spike

Welcome to the world of model railways.

I have found that being in the centre of your railway is an ideal. You are able to reach all areas of the layout. My current layout Little Weldon is on baseboards secured to the wall's of the room, like a shelf. They range in depth 2' down to 1'.

There are a number of good model makers here too. I'm sure that any questions you may have will be answered.

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Re: New Member from Guernsey

Postby Mountain » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:30 pm

Welcome to the forum. I love modelling in 7mm narrow gauge (Known as 0-16.5 in Britain or 0e in Europe or 0n30 in USA). While 0n30 is popular in the USA and so it can be purchased in ready made form, 0-16.5 and 0e modellers need to either scratchbuild or kitbuild, though a few years ago Fleishmann used to make a few models in 0e known as their "Magic Train". I will say though that body kits available from Smallbrook Studio are mostly relatively easy to build and the gauge width the models run on is the same as the popular 00 and H0 scales, so there are no shartages of available chassis to adapt to use. It is not for everyone but for something fun and different without being too difficult to cope with I can recommend 0-16.5 if one enjoys making things.

Probably the most popular and easiest scale and gauge to obtain are 00 and H0. Both use the same track width (Actually so do 0-16.5, 0e and 0n30) though 00 is made to 4mm scale and H0 is built to 3.5mm scale which is a more accurate representation of the scale to gauge width compared to 00. To explain more I need to delve into model railway history a little, so here goes...
Generally up until the 1930's and certainly before WW2 the most popular gauge in use was 0 gauge which used 7mm scale. Some modellers then wanted a smaller scale so attempts were made to use a scale half the size of 0 gauge. The problem was in those days, there were not any suitable motors available for such a small size. Hornby who had been attempting to make models to half the size compromised in that they used a gauge width of 16.5mm but scaled the body width up a little from 3.5mm to the foot to 4mm to the foot so the motor would fit. This compromise became very popular in the UK. Some pre war modellers who wanted a more accurate gauge back then (Where everything they made was scratchbuilt) used a wider gauge width of 18mm which later became known as EM gauge.
As H0 generally came slightly later so smaller motors were developed (Also many overseas locomotives (Especially USA) were generally larger so had more room inside to fit motors etc) and used the correct gauge to the 3.5mm scale they used (The same gauge width that 00 gauge uses with their overscale bodies), Brave attempts were made by Lima and others like Fleishmann to bring British outline models wirh H0 scale bodies onto thw British market. However, modellers liked their 00 gauge compromise so much that these attempts largely struggled to find buyers. A few modellers still model in British H0 scale and formed the British H0 gauge society to keep it alive.
Other attempts were to use a more accurate gauge width to suit 4mm scale (As mentioned above). The main attempt was to use 18mm gauge width (EM gauge) are the most popular attempt, though later came P4 with the more precise 18.83mm gauge width, though EM is the more popular of the few who have taken this route. At this stage I need to mention another manufacturer who made some very fine models in 4 mm scale in the USA before WW2 and that is Lionel. Rather then use a correct gauge of 18.83mm they slightly increased the gauge to 19mm wide. These models are relatibely rare even in the USA as actually British built models of USA trains in H0 scale to run on 00 track built by Triang were exported and started to catch the publics eye, and over there H0 quickly took over from American 00. A friend of mine has some very eavy cast metal very large Lionel American 00 scale models and they are big. When you see 4mm scale of very large USA prototypes, you begin to appreciate how large USA locomotives are compared to British locomotives, and start to understand why for the American public, H0 became a much more practical size to use as the extra 0.5mm scale difference cuts off a good 10 to 15 cm off one the length of the larger locomotives they have.

Now going back to the most popular scales and gauges used in the UK of standard gauge prototype models, we generally habe three which are the most popular. N gauge (2mm scale) is the smallest, then comes 00 at 4mm scale, and then the good old 0 gauge which is the largest and still has a following today despite almost becoming forgotton about with thw popularity and practicality of 00 in recent times. If one has to put UK models in terms of popularity in regards to these, 00 is the most popular by far. Then comes N and close behind is 0. N gauge is quite small so has the advantage of either being used in a small space or one can model it in a larger space where oe can take advantage of a scenic approach to a layout. It runs on 9mm track gauge width.
A relatively new following (Though it has been around for a while) is 009 (And the more popular H0e). 009 is the narrow gauge version of 00 gauge and conveniently uses the same 9mm track width as N gauge. A brief desctiption of narrow gauge prototypes just to get the picture, think of the railways which are known as "The Great Little Trains Of Wales" and you will get the general idea. H0e is the narrow gauge form of H0 which also uses the same 9mm track width, and about a decade ago there were no ready made 009 models but there were quite a few ready made H0e models. As in general H0e prototypes are larger then British prototypes, the different scales are less noticeable in narrow gauge form in this size, so 009 and H0e models blend in more together. Today three manufacturers have taken the plunge and make ready made 009 gauge models, hence I have mentioned the new popularity of 4mm scale narrow gauge.
Of corse, the next popular scale up in narrow gauge form is 7mm narrow gauge which I first mentioned. While it is less popular it is an easy and practical gauge and scale to model in, despite not (At the moment) having any British outline factory ready made models.

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Re: New Member from Guernsey

Postby BuffyMcBuffer » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:36 pm

Welcome lots of knowledgeable people on here and all are friendly

Good luck with your layout

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Re: New Member from Guernsey

Postby Lysander » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:51 pm

Just a small correction Mountain, whilst the Triang American-outline locos and rolling stock were exported to the US (after having been launched here as the ‘Transcontinental’ range), they were manufactured to a OO rather than an HO scale.

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Re: New Member from Guernsey

Postby TimberSurf » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:38 pm

Attach four ropes/steel wires, one to each corner, vertically thread through 4 pulleys directly above the corners. These will the route to a single point and are attached to a single wire. This single wire can be pulled horizontally by the drum of a winch device. Lifting/tow winches can be had in 12v/24v and mains. I do not know of an off the shelf solution, so you will have to look to a specialist designer or DIY. Best you search google/youtube and get some ideas, you will need to work out the size and importantly the weight of the baseboard and it will need to be far more structurally stronger than a normal layout build.
Your shop gives you an advantage as you get the VAT off! :lol:
If you want British rolling stock, it will be 00, any other countries rolling stock will be HO. Same track so you can run both, the only difference will be the scenery style (and slight difference is size between HO and OO)
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Re: New Member from Guernsey

Postby glencairn » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:19 pm

Welcome on board, Spike.

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Re: New Member from Guernsey

Postby Spike » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:33 pm

Thanks for all the advice guys, still looking into things but I think it is going to be OO scale that I go with.

I will start a build thread when I get started.

Thanks again

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