Question about BR Mk1 carriages

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Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby muggins » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:11 pm

Back in my trainspotting days, I never took much notice of the finer points of Mk1 carriages, therefore I'm unable to answer the lady wife's question about my lovely new Bachmann models, namely what exactly are the "black wire things" that run up one side of the ends of the CK and the FK to a thingy on the roof and back down t'other side? And why are they different on the SO?

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Re: Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby RFS » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:21 pm

I believe they are filler pipes for the toilet water tanks.
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Re: Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby muggins » Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:31 pm

Gosh, that definitely sounds like the answer so thank you :)

No doubt the different layout on different carriages is simply down to differing locations for the toilet compartments. The only problem is, I'm now wondering why some carriages of similar vintage design didn't have anything similar (eg the "portholes").

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Re: Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby flying scotsman123 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:48 pm

Yep, water filler pipes for the toilet tanks, they also served has handrails when climbing up steps at the end onto the roof was a thing you could do. First class carriages should have them at both ends as they had a toilet at both ends, second class only one end for one set of two smaller toilets.
LMS porthole stock ought to have these filler pipes too, a Google image search suggests they do, as should all other carriages with toilets. A few had the pipes internal to the bodywork with just the end of the pipe exposed in a cutout, but that was fairly rare.
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Re: Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby muggins » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:40 pm

Points noted, fs. Thank you!

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Re: Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby Bigmet » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:30 pm

Wait and see if she spots the stretcher window on the compartment side of the CK. (I was quite impressed when my Ma pointed that out on the model. "Do you know what that is?" I hadn't a clue. SRN, trained in the late 40s. Parties of hospital staff were taken to stations - Waterloo in her case - to receive specific training on this feature when the BR mk1 coaches were introduced. She had it all pat: 'The train guard will have the necessary key. In the event the guard cannot be quickly found, instruct any available BR staff to find and then bring the guard to you.'.)

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Re: Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby muggins » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:42 pm

Bigmet wrote:Wait and see if she spots the stretcher window on the compartment side of the CK ...

Gosh, I'm well impressed! Never heard nor seen a mention of that anywhere before now.

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Re: Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby flying scotsman123 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:27 pm

muggins wrote:
Bigmet wrote:Wait and see if she spots the stretcher window on the compartment side of the CK ...

Gosh, I'm well impressed! Never heard nor seen a mention of that anywhere before now.

Verily, every day's a schoolday ...


There weren't very many from what I gather - we think only one survived into preservation, hopefully you should be able to see it working towards the end of this year on the GWSR when we've finished rebuilding it. The aim is to make it a little more water and rust proof than the original design!
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Re: Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby muggins » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:21 am

Now wondering under what circumstances exactly would the stretcher windows have been used, and was it only the CKs that had them?

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Re: Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby stuartp » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:43 am

It was possible to reserve a compartment for the conveyance of invalids, and as far as I'm aware only the CKs had them.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/70023venus2009/5888641136

You could also find compartments reserved for 'Prisoners with escort' amongst other things.
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Re: Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby muggins » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:14 am

Ahah! Thank you sir.

Now of course I'm wondering what exactly you did with the patient on the stretcher after having successfully inserted him through the window provided, assuming that "OK, you can get off it now" wasn't an option. I have this mental picture of folks sitting each side of the compartment with the rails of the stretcher on their knees ...

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Re: Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby Bigmet » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:18 am

The escorting medical staff would be in the compartment with the patient. Stretcher over one bank of seats, staff the other side. (I expect there were some sort of mountings to take the stretcher; the ambulance crews did the load/unload work. The senior nurse present was team boss, didn't do any of the mechanical work, just made sure everything was done properly for the patient's comfort and survival. And that her uniform including the 23 pleat headgear was perfect, very important that.) Keep in mind this was 'in dire need' provision: someone in a really bad way who had to be transported a long distance to a major hospital with the equipment and expert staff to have a go at saving their life.

Ma subsequently also trained as a midwife, and I never needed to watch the quite recent 'Call the' dramatisation, as I had heard the stories already. Ma told me the most difficult thing she ever had to do was go into a very down at heel pub to get some pennies from the bar, as the first payphone had jammed taking the two pennies they routinely carried should an emergency call be required. Single woman, never been inside a den of iniquity in her life. But it was an emergency, the mother was haemorrhaging, needs must....

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Re: Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby muggins » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:33 pm

Bigmet wrote:... including the 23 pleat headgear ...


And the cape. It was a sad day (for the patients if not all the nurses) when they "modernised" the uniforms. In a previous life as a working jeweller I mended more than a few belt buckles for 'em FOC, including some really beautiful Victorian sterling silver ones.

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Re: Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby Bigmet » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:16 pm

muggins wrote:...It was a sad day (for the patients if not all the nurses) when they "modernised" the uniforms. In a previous life as a working jeweller I mended more than a few belt buckles for 'em FOC, including some really beautiful Victorian sterling silver ones.

That was a different time alright, and of course the real rub was that nurses were paid a pittance. I went out with 'a few' in the 1970s, and wearing uniform they were not charged on the buses, and in case of emergency could hail a London cab for free for patient transport to hospital - one of them had actually done that.

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Re: Question about BR Mk1 carriages

Postby muggins » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:26 pm

Bigmet wrote:
muggins wrote:...It was a sad day (for the patients if not all the nurses) when they "modernised" the uniforms. In a previous life as a working jeweller I mended more than a few belt buckles for 'em FOC, including some really beautiful Victorian sterling silver ones.

That was a different time alright, and of course the real rub was that nurses were paid a pittance ...

Indeed they were. But the job did have some compensations apart from the free transport - at least some of the ones I knew managed to be on The Pill a long time before their non-nursing contemporaries :D


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