Price of a Hobby

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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby Mountain » Sun May 26, 2019 4:55 pm

Thanks Dellboy. They are nice and simple.

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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby GeraldH » Sun May 26, 2019 5:13 pm

I've been asked about ballasting with used tea-leaves so I thought I'd share the info here in case it is useful. I have found that loose tea is best, as it seems to be slightly coarser than the tea in tea bags, but either will do.

I take the used tea out of its bag (if it's not loose tea) and put it on a tray to dry out. I then store the dried tea in a old plastic bottle with a wide top until I'm ready for ballasting. When I'm ready to ballast, I mix up some wallpaper paste as if it's for vinyl wallpaper (i.e. the strongest recommended mix). The wallpaper must have fungicide in it (most of it does) or the tea-leaves go mouldy. I then add tea-leaves to the paste until the paste is completely absorbed and I cannot see any areas of clean paste. I then brush on the mixture with an old paintbrush 1.5-2cm wide, going backwards and forwards to fill all the gaps. I am very careful around points, so as not to prevent them moving. I then wipe the top and inside edge of the rails with a rag and leave the mixture to dry overnight.

The mixture can shrink when drying and leave a few gaps, so you might have to put a bit more on the next day. The result can look a little red, but this can be toned down with some powder paint. To my eye it looks like dirty weathered ballast. Apart from this costing peanuts, the other good news is that if you ever have to alter your layout, the ballast is easily removable. Do not use this with steel rail though as it will rust, but there's no problem with modern nickel silver track.

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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby Delboy » Sun May 26, 2019 5:24 pm

Hi Gerald thanks for sharing your ballasting technique with us, most useful. :wink:

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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby Bigmet » Sun May 26, 2019 6:32 pm

Dad-1 wrote:...Compared to many other hobbies it can be quite affordable, but never cheap... that locomotive can last you 10 - 30 years...

I feel this is one of the secret joys of this hobby. My layout and stock is the result of a modest annual spend over more than fifty years. Much less than a golf club membership, running a classic car, footie season ticket, and many other common leisure activities: and here's the real winning aspect, when money is tight there's no need to spend very much at all to continue to enjoy the DIY modelling of layout and stock.

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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby Firefly16 » Sun May 26, 2019 8:01 pm

One reason for the hobby having become so expensive may be that we have become just a little spoilt, expecting ever more new models, the cost of whose tooling has to be recovered by the makers.
No one should be deterred from scratchbuilding - you don't know what you can do until you've tried. All that is required is a little thought, some careful observation and above all, patience. And there is a wealth of materials to hand for literally nothing: the inner tubes of ballpoints, the siphon tubes from trigger operated detergents and the styrene from the lids and bases of ice cream tubs to name a few. My latest find is a bag of 40mm panel pins going by the name of Value Pac for just 99p - with beautifully finished heads, a plentiful source of buffers for some time to come, albeit with a little hacksaw work, the sawn-off bits providing ballast for scratchbuilt wagons etc.

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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby b308 » Sun May 26, 2019 8:47 pm

Dad-1 wrote:E2E you surprise me that you don't have the confidence to make a half decent wagon kit.

And me, especially as you've produced some cracking layouts so the skill level is there! Take the plunge, it doesn't cost much!

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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby sparkhill » Sun May 26, 2019 9:01 pm

Model railways are only as expensive as you make it, I agree with Dad1 the Hornby DCC starter sets are a fine introduction into the hobby.
My best mate spends all his spare money on Booze and fags and at $50au for a packet of roll your own tobacco that is what I call an expensive hobby, his and my needs are the same he needs his booze and fags to bring enjoyment and I play with model trains, no matter what hobby people are in they all cost money, I am in no way hanging it on my mate for his way of having fun as I was a smoker for over 30 years but always enjoyed a cuppa tea rather than booze.

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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby muggins » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:34 pm

Very interesting post, Mr Duke. Thanks for taking the time to do it.

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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby PanzerJohn » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:22 pm

I've never paid full price for anything, I wait for sales and special offers or buy mint second hand. Ebay is your friend.

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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby End2end » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:38 pm

PanzerJohn wrote:I've never paid full price for anything

I have a technique for new items I buy...
Search and find the 3 lowest sellers/shops
Get those 3 to price beat down to the lowest price. Always get an emailed / paper quote to show the competitors if you need to that you've been quoted a lower price from another seller.
You can play the 3 off against each other for usually 3 price drop "rounds" going back and forth between them, then choose lowest.
One seller might stick to a price in round 2 so they have then effectivley priced themselves out of the game as it were.
It works on all sort of purchases. My last purchase was headphones. £117 down to £85 INCLUDING pnp. :mrgreen: £32 off. :!:
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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby Free_at_last » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:19 pm

Saw a trader today selling UHU glue @ £3.00 for 60ml tube, does he really expect anyone to buy this when it is only £1.00 in the shops.
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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby sparkhill » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:04 am

All of a sudden Aussie retailers have decided to rob people even more than they did before, example last week Acrylic Paint in a tube was $2 today it was $3.50, Paint Brushes were $2 also same brush set today $3.50, I wont even go into the cost of model railway stuff on the main street shops (if you can find one) other than to say if it wasn't for eBay I would most likely take up playing Snakes and Ladders and Ludo.

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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby Bigglesof266 » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:24 am

LOL. ...true though.

It's not just model trains though. e.g. The price of plastic model kits has gone ballistic. Anything new mould will require refinancing and possibly a second mortgage on your house.

I've certainly cut back my model rail spending radically in recent years. Big temptation with Hornby's forthcoming release of their new Bulleid coaches though. Quite the dilemma. :roll:

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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby dubdee1000 » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:17 am

Something I found interesting was the recent approach of bachmann. We've seen the drifting upwards of prices for some.time and the usual baseless explanations for this are trotted out. The cost of 47s 37s and 66s now have a srp of around £150. And then out comes Hattons with a all new duplication of a 66. Suddenly bachmann find the ability to reduce the srp of a 66. But only the 66 - the 37 and 47 remain with a higher srp. Hard not feel there is a touch of exploitation going on here. Similarly with the launch of the sealed beam peak - a dealer network model, usually meaning no discount on srp. But already retailers are discounting, and you can't help but feel that with the heljan model around the corner, bachmann are happy to turn a blind eye to this to drive sales against the heljan model.

I understand all is fair in business, but taking a step back, it seems that where competition exists, the manufacturers seem able to limit or reduce price increases. For some time we've had the 'duplication' discussion which seems to have been a dirty word. Perhaps it isn't because when it happens, it's us as modellers that seem to be benefiting either through higher spec models or prices falling on older ones.

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Re: Price of a Hobby

Postby rb277170 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:04 pm

There’s a lot going on in the market at the moment

I think the Hornby situation is well covered . Placing all the eggs in the Sandra Kan basket was a strategic mistake . Prices with Hornby had to rise as they tried to find alternative production facilities . The lack of production for about two years is probably what motivated the likes of Hattons to enter in the commissioning market and now make its own models . So a double whammy there. The 2019 range shows promise though with some keenly priced products eg 66s , but also mk2fs . I think there is a recognition that while there are modellers who will pay ever increasing prices, there is also a market that’s prepared to make some compromises for keener priced models

Bachmann had been producing models at a lower price than Hornby up until 5 years ago , around the 25th anniversary of Bachmann. I think it was significant that Mr Kenneth Ting , President of Kader made a visit then. There seemed to be a change of strategy then with three years of large increases in prices and incremental increases since. The claim was this was Chinese labour costs increasing. It is true that labour costs increased but considering the labour content of the final price it’s nothing like the level to substantiate such increases. More likely that as Kader reached capacity they decided to make models for higher yielding markets than U.K. U.K. had to increase prices to make it worthwhile for Kader . I don’t think it’s a coincidence that there’s been starvation of products from Bachmann since that time with huge waiting times . In fact the Class 90 announced at that time has only just arrived 5 years later . Bachmann have opted to add features, which probably cost pennies to justify high selling costs eg £69 mk2fs , servo pantographs etc.

There is clearly money still to be made in the Model Railway market as there are new entrants . Hattons, Kernow, Rails, DJ models, Accurascale, Cavalex ,
DJ promised a lot but with no finance little has appeared . It looks like it may just have imploded

I think Hattons , Accurascale are a breath of fresh air and delivering high quality models at prices that are reasonable . The direct selling model certainly helps here as you then have manufacturers and retailers margins to play with . That Accurascale can offer 5 car mk5 pack at £225 is impressive .

So where will it go. I think Hornby has critical mass . If it continues it’s two track approach, high fidelity higher cost models and reasonable models for the more price conscious market I think they will do well. They’ve shown a more aggressive attitude this year going head to head against Rails , Hattons and Bachmann, competing on price . I wish them well

I think Hattons and Accurascale will continue with good quality models

Bachmann I think is at risk as they are just too slow to market and too expensive . Their bread and butter products are capable of being picked off by the new entrants eg Hattons 66 . We are seeing Heljan picking off their 45 after years of inaction on a sealed head code version. It can only be a matter of time before someone goes for 37 and 47 . Too slow to react, limited production from Kader, they may be the first to go.

Interesting times

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