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Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:00 pm
by Tom@Crewe
Hi all.

When I was a lot younger and just before getting distracted by Motorbike and girls on my want list was Hornby's 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Cranes.
Now back into the model railways, I see these cranes on eBay and its got me thinking.

These crane's are more toy than model with the working the boom and hook operated via the little wheels (Not scale). So to my questions!

1. Are there any detailing kits?
2. Which livery would be right for 1959 - 1964 period?
3. What was the most recent available from Hornby & Catalogue Numbers? (note question 2)
4. Is there much difference with the older ones and the new?

Thank for any kind help.

Re: Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:13 pm
by Tom@Crewe
Just found this -------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eChEd-6foec&t=31s

Does anyone know of any difference between Hornby's R739 and R6104 apart from Catalogue numbers

Re: Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:07 pm
by stuartp
1. Not that I'm aware of.
2. Red. Lined yellow/black at first, simplified to plain red from the late 60s/early 70s.
3. Released as R6104 in 2002, or R197 in 1999, both in red/black, which I can't find an example of in real life. Released in plain red in 1982 as R739. There is also R6602 in red/black with white lining but I can't find the release year.

http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_details.asp?itemid=1978
http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_details.asp?itemid=1246
http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_details.asp?itemid=167

Apart from metal wheels on the current (yellow) release and a much better paint job (prototypical or not), the rest of it looks very much like my R739 did years ago.

Re: Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:55 pm
by glencairn
Did not Hornby renumber most (or everything)? Hence different numbers for the same item.

The crane in the 'Thomas The Tank' range looks the most realistic (to me).

Glencairn

Re: Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:43 pm
by Mountain
I have three cranes of different types. Actually four as one is Hornby Dublo.
One is the large crane by Hornby. The second is a Lima crane now sold by Hornby. The third is the Hornby 4 wheel crane which I believe first came from Triang. Fun things.

Re: Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:23 am
by Tom@Crewe
I have rebuilt the Hornby R127.
I have been looking at the Dublo version and maybe that is the more detailed starting point to choose.
The Lima crane is a lot more detailed to start with (From pictures of the model) But I can't find what the prototype is?

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Re: Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:09 pm
by Mountain
From what I've read (Regarding the Lima crane) is that the crane part itself was based on a prototype but the neat looking match truck type wagon that goes with it was fictional, so concentrate on the crane if looking for the prototype.

Re: Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:55 am
by Tom@Crewe
Just had a look on the Hornby site for 2019 Releases and in October R6897 is the BR 75 ton Breakdown Crane, Era 6 1957-1971 in Yellow.
But it does say livery subject to change (But is that the casting going to change?)

https://www.hornby.com/uk-en/br-75t-bre ... era-6.html

I was thinking Red or Black for 1959 - 64

The Bachmann release is the Ransomes & Rapier 45 Ton Breakdown Crane £212

Re: Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:07 pm
by Mountain
£212? That would buy me an entire fleets worth of scratchbuilt waggons! :p
I hope it looks good. Does it work on DCC like the Roco crane did? (I think it was Roco who did a DCC crane?)

Re: Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:18 am
by stuartp
Tom@Crewe wrote:I was thinking Red or Black for 1959 - 64


Most (all ?) cranes in 1959 would have been overall black. However, when the 75 tonners were ordered from Cowans Sheldon under the Modernisation Plan red was specified, apparently in an effort to boost morale in / recognise the efforts of breakdown gangs. A lot of the larger cranes were repainted red from then onwards, as were tool vans, riding vans etc, although many remained in black.

So if you're asking about breakdown cranes generally, the answer is red or black depending on which crane and when. But the 75 tonners were red from delivery in 1960.

Re: Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:57 pm
by Tom@Crewe
Another question, if I do rebuild one and repaint it are there any water-slide decals available.

Re: Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:51 am
by Tom@Crewe
So can I take it there are no transfers / decals.....?
That sort of kills the project.

Re: Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:04 am
by Mountain
I've no idea. Only bought general B.R. blue era transfers from a model railway shop.

Re: Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:32 pm
by TimberSurf
Tom@Crewe wrote:Another question, if I do rebuild one and repaint it are there any water-slide decals available.


Make inquiries with this guy https://www.cctrans.org.uk/index.htm

Re: Hornby 75 ton Cowans and Sheldon Questions

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:22 pm
by Tom@Crewe
Thanks Timberwolf I have been in contact with him and he can't help on this occasion