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Re: Legality or moral ethics

Postby b308 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:56 am

Depends on what country you are in, here's the UK's answer:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 ... by-mistake

(The OP was based in Australia, though, so it's down to the law in his land.)

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Re: Legality or moral ethics

Postby Bufferstop » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:04 am

The figure of six years seems to have come from the assumed lifetime of the goods in the definition of the retailers responsibility for their fitness for purpose. Whatever I can't see anybody coming for the 20+ 2 cell battery clips that Maplin delivered with the last order I placed with them.
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Re: Legality or moral ethics

Postby b308 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:06 am

A Collector's item, there, John!! :lol:

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Re: Legality or moral ethics

Postby Bigmet » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:35 am

b308 wrote:Depends on what country you are in, here's the UK's answer...
(The OP was based in Australia, though, so it's down to the law in his land.)

Thanks to the shared heritage of 'Common Law' in the Anglosphere, the legal position is likely to be very similar.

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Re: Legality or moral ethics

Postby Byegad » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:54 am

D605Eagle wrote:What might be a stumbling block here is proving that the person received the wrong item. IIRC Hattons stuff, if sent buy courier, you do have to sign for, and that would be proof you had received it. However smaller items seem to be delivered by royal mail and aren't signed for. Remember that the onus to prove is not on the shoulders of the accused.


We moved into a new build 3 years ago.
I've lost count of the number of items where the courier tells me I wasn't in and have left a card, when neither is true.
Persuading the seller I have had no caller, and no card came that day, is an uphill struggle. I've even had a photo of 'my front door' sent which was not even of a detached house's door! I understand the difficulty on new estates, no street names and few house numbers, but even now we get one courier from one firm who can't be bothered to find us, he works Mondays, and according to him we are always out when he calls. Strangely enough his Tuesday colleague finds us every time.
I've also sadly had items 'delivered' that weren't. One luckily was bought on Amazon and after a short discussion with their customer service department, I got a refund. My worst case was a DELL computer. Due by 1pm, at 1.05pm I was in conversation with their courier's customer services only to be told that it had been delivered at 12.40pm. After a free and frank exchange of views, and an hour, there was a knock at the door and the computer was delivered. The courier claimed to have delivered it to the next street over and had 'had to get it back'. As I knew the guy living their and he later confirmed he'd been in and no courier had called it was obviously an attempted theft, by the courier.

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Re: Legality or moral ethics

Postby Bufferstop » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:35 pm

We had what was almost certainly a theft by courier of a £1500 laptop from Amazon, we had little difficulty in persuading them that it happened. It started with a genuine failure, after about 3 months use, I'd gone through all the usual and came to the conclusion this was a rare motherboard fault that didn't show up at startup. Amazons technical department (never knew they had one) phoned and discussed it with me, I was expecting them to say we will pick it up for repair, but they said they would swap it. When the replacement was supposed to be delivered in the afternoon the tracking showed attempted delivery that hadn't happened. Next morning it arrived, correctly addressed to my wife along with an order for me. I signed once, for my item, I noticed that the box was a bit oversized and the contents were sliding from side to side. I said hang on whilst I check this but he was off. I put the box on the table and carefully opened the top, then reached for my phone to take a picture of the contents, two large paperback books. Then I took a picture of the bottom of the box with both half flaps torn, then turned it over and took a picture of the intact tape on the bottom, but with one flap not secured, and creased from folding. Matey had kept it on the van overnight and performed a little surgery on the packing. Amazon's reaction was I'll have to get this cleared by boss but we'll send a replacement. It was only at my suggestion that they asked for the pictures and agreed to send the replacement in a slightly bigger box so that I could return the packaging.
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Re: Legality or moral ethics

Postby boxbrownie » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:35 pm

Similar vein, last year we did our usual grocery shop although this time at Waitrose (we tend to alternate depending how we feel) and along with all the usual stuff we bought a case (6) bottles of wine which was on offer 6 for the price of 5. We go to Waitrose as we like the scan as you shop method, and I scanned the bar code on the box.......went to the till and did the usual paying and of course had to call the attendant over for the alcohol context to be OK’ed......got home and checked the receipt (we often don’t bother) and found we had not paid for the 6 bottles of wine, being the honest person I try to be we rang the shop and said “I think I have shop lifted 6 bottles of wine” to which I got a puzzled reply, all cleared up after a few minutes as we worked out that I should have scanned one of the bottles, not the box bar code!

I was told next time we are in the shop to let them know and pay for the wine, great service I thought......so a few weeks later we were back there, explained what had happened paid for the 6 bottles but on the 6 for 5 deal but not only that the customer service lady took the price of one extra bottle off for being honest......sometimes it does pay to be honest. :D
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Re: Legality or moral ethics

Postby GWR_fan » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:58 pm

In an ideal world one's parents taught one to be honest, to wait your turn in a que, to show respect for others, give up your seat to a person older than you or to a pregnant lady and an honest dollar for an honest day's work. Alas, not every child has ideal parents and not every human is ideal. Today it is a dog eat dog world with the few remaining idealists amongst us losing out to the crass selfish commercialisation of the individual. At one time we were a community, however, now we are all individuals fighting to get our pound of flesh.

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Re: Legality or moral ethics

Postby Bigglesof266 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:05 pm

GWR_fan wrote:At one time we were a community, however, now we are all individuals fighting to get our pound of flesh.


You and I haved living memory of the former Tim, and in western societies of the Commonwealth at least, in the post war world where a generation who fought it trying to build a better world off a belief in the noble lies they'd been inculcated with, tried to set the example abetted by Church and social mores of the time. All of this was then still held together by now absentee unity of common culture, race & religious background along with stoic social mores remnant within the memory and influence of preceding Victorian and Edwardian generations still living who held greater cultural sway in their time than we 'oldies' today do. Sure there were many exceptions and examples of that jungle mentality free for all for survival during all periods of hardship such as The Great Depression, and I can certainly point you in the direction of several well documented in memoir and film, but there was also a greater coexisting inherent sense of community & cohesiveness which is absent entirely today.

As participants in the human condition with inherent wisdom constrained within a finite cycle of life, and that severely self-restricted to all but the few of the many, 'kids' today have seldom if ever been exposed to those similar experiences or important 'values'. As "man is born without a moral compass" (Russell paraphrased) in general, without such guidance and influenced by what has replaced them, the result is this current moral morass.

Of the many reasons which present prominent coming to the fore for this are two. "Give me the child until he is seven, and I will show you the man" (Loyola paraphrased). The intrusive print and visual media and State have long since stealthily taken over that role. What we are experiencing now is the result. The second is the implementation of divide et imperia in service of those behind the globalist agenda at multiple levels through every medium today not uncoincidentally State sanctioned by their figurehead political puppets which is self-evident to anyone not asleep, deluded by naivety or lacking either sufficient intellectual energy and erudition to observe with logic and reason.

Prevailing dominant individual attitudes & behaviours are the consequence.

Where's it all headed IMV? :roll:

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Re: Legality or moral ethics

Postby GWR_fan » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:06 pm

Keiron,
the Rothschild cabal, one world order with the banking order in control and all of us showing allegiance to that order. This may sound political but it is the future where we are heading but politics are not our future just subservience to the cabal. The conspiracy would have one believe that the cabal made its fortune from funding immoral wars and enslaving people in financial debt to its service.

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Re: Legality or moral ethics

Postby boxbrownie » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:46 pm

I blame Janet Street Porter......she destroyed genuine children’s television and replaced it with viscous reality TV for kids........and I am only half joking!
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Re: Legality or moral ethics

Postby Phat Controller » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:51 am

You are all starting to scare me!! :?
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Re: Legality or moral ethics

Postby End2end » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:13 pm

@Phat Controller.
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