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grass around goods yards

Postby Jburr5085 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:44 am

I am just wondering how much grass, gravel and mud there was around steam era goods yards? :?
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Re: grass around goods yards

Postby VerdevaleRailway » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:20 am

You might even broaden the question as to how much was on platforms??

https://youtu.be/q5kMUSL09sI?t=234

1930's??? certainly pre-war. If you have gravel platforms, bound to get a bit of greenery :)
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Re: grass around goods yards

Postby b308 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:24 am

Depends how busy they were. Around the edges there would be a fair bit but where the vehicles went and people walked not so much. Look at some colour photos of goods yards for the answer.

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Re: grass around goods yards

Postby stuartp » Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:17 am

As mentioned, observation of photos is the way to go. I'll post links later when I'm not on a phone but I have photos of my chosen prototype, a medium sized junction, and the goods yard was busy and largely weed free right up until closure in 1965. One of the smaller intermediate station yards, although nominally still open, looks like meadow in 1964 photos. Clinker and ash from locosheds was commonly used for surfacing yards and platforms, it is acidic and full of all sorts of things not conducive to plant growth but if you leave it long enough grass will eventually find its way in.
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Re: grass around goods yards

Postby Jburr5085 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:30 am

thanks. :P
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Re: grass around goods yards

Postby VerdevaleRailway » Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:24 pm

Actually, from what I can gather, there would be minimal vegetation around in the steam era. Firstly there was a fire risk from every locomotive. A small fire could cause a big (read expensive) problem. All the track is laid on timber sleepers....Closing a line for any repairs was a hassle requiring re routing.

Lineside, people were employed to keep vegetation well trimmed. You have fences that need replacing if they burn.

As for yards, one way to use the ash and clinkers was to spread it, you would have better working areas if it is flat, as well as better paths for horses which were used in yards a lot as well. And the ash is not conducive to growing much.

In this vid, there is not a speck of vegetation in the yards, not even next to the lamppost in the middle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r66FexPvyPQ

And I would suppose that the competency of the Station Master would be judged by the orderliness of the station by his superiors. If you were Station Master and you wanted more money, you would need a promotion to a larger station.
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Re: grass around goods yards

Postby Peterm » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:12 am

I was instantly absorbed in that and didn't even think to look for the lamp post let alone grass. Thanks.
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Re: grass around goods yards

Postby b308 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:34 am

Most of that video was based in a loco shed and I'd agree that there wouldn't be much around. But a small goods yard is a different beast altogether. Also on black and white photos/videos it's notoriously difficult to spot grass. Get some photos of goods yards in colour.

As an example try this photo from the 50s/60s and look at the two siding to the left and note the frass in between the rails and in the cess. That would not show up in a b&w photo!

http://www.davidheyscollection.com/user ... -utney.jpg

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Re: grass around goods yards

Postby VerdevaleRailway » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:41 am

I've neen looking at a lot of old B&W vids recently to get a better view of life in the steam days, and since the OP posted the question, have been looking quite closely at weeds, or more precisely the lack of them. I do rather wonder if one of the things that affected the yards and lineside might be sulphuric acid from the burning coal.

This leads me to think this MAY be correct:

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=_2jkSbEaLB4C&pg=PA223&lpg=PA223&dq=steam+locomotive+sulphur+dioxide&source=bl&ots=QG4J5tRyfk&sig=gSNcMOk1CRmfE9Y2ZssaKbzOiNU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi18Z3chvvRAhXMGpQKHV5DDwoQ6AEIJTAC#v=onepage&q=steam%20locomotive%20sulphur%20dioxide&f=false

Steam locomotive + rainy day = ????
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Re: grass around goods yards

Postby b308 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:49 am

Quite probably, but the OP said "goods yards" not "loco depots" and they are two very different things. I reckon there would be vegetation around the edges (in fact I've seen one photo of Eastleigh depot where the track area was black (!) and free of vegetation but just to the right of the tracks was lush greenery!).

With goods yards, though, and especially for small country yards in 1930s the loco wouldn't have been there long, if at all, (fly shunting or use of a horse or man power) so weeds and grass would grow...

Perhaps i should have asked the OP what size of goods yard he was takling about, one of the big yards was probably similar to a loco depot, green round the edges but none on the middle!

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Re: grass around goods yards

Postby Ironduke » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:01 am

I got this pic from somewhere for the Toad brake van. Perhaps it's a private siding rather than a goods yard?

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Re: grass around goods yards

Postby b308 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:46 am

Could be in Worcester, there was a Vulcan Siding there to Vulcan Ironworks, though I suppose it would be quite a common name... Fair bit of grass, though!

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Re: grass around goods yards

Postby Bufferstop » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:25 pm

If a recent court case has anything to do with it Network Rail will be paying far more attention to grass and weeds. Two housholders have won damages from them for failing to take action against Japanese knotweed which has invaded their foundations. They have also been given permission to claim any permanent loss of value if NR don't eradicate it.
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Re: grass around goods yards

Postby stuartp » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:59 pm

Here's New Galloway in 1964 with grass everywhere, even in B&W:
http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/recor ... 6#carousel
http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/recor ... 0#carousel

Castle Douglas a year later and only a few weeks from closure with grass only where it's supposed to be:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswis ... 028773863/

Not many weeds visible in this part of the yard at Newton Stewart either (although it's not a great shot for the purposes of this discussion)... https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswis ... 028773863/

...although the east end of the same yard wasn't so spick and span:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswis ... 028773863/

Whithorn, despite being at the bottom of a minor and straggling branch with only three trains a week, has a bit of wispy grass but not much. This photo is undated but it's between 1960 and 1963:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswis ... 028773863/
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