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Model show price / distance

Postby alex3410 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:04 pm

Hi all,

just taking a look at local model shows that are coming up near by - looking forward to wondering around the shows looking at others layouts and trade stalls while the other half huffs and moans :lol:

anyway while looking i found one in St Albans which is near to a craft place my other half uses for school so i thought its a win win - over an hour away though! - only to find they are asking £8 per adult to get in :shock:

i know there are various reasons for the price differences but at £16 for the two of us it just seems a tad on the expensive side - my local show for example about the same size is £3 per adult

also out of interest how far do you travel to shows?

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Re: Model show price / distance

Postby Bigmet » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:43 pm

The Snorbens show is the one not to miss for me. Quality trade support, and the best layout selection they can find. Awkward and quite expensive location, but there is a shortage of suitable venues in the area. The ideal venues would really be expensive, and many cannot offer Friday set up, or both Saturday and Sunday.

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Re: Model show price / distance

Postby trainlover23 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:19 pm

Not at all expensive when one takes into account the quality of the show. Compare it to a football match at £25.00 plus and that does rather tend to put it in perspective.

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Postby andyw » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:38 pm

i really think you should think outside the box on this one,(or should i say outside the hall) instead of paying £8 for the wife to go and and moan leave her outside to moan, she will have good reason to moan at you then, and it will save you £8 that can be better spent.
seriously i must get to some shows this year, last one i went to was at bath and west showground, but that had everything from trains to rc planes cars and helicopters, a really good day out for me as i fly( well loosely speaking that is) rc helicopters and planes

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Postby andyw » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:44 pm

is there a section on here to publicise upcoming shows, or a list of shows for the year, ive done a quick search and havent found one

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Re: Model show price / distance

Postby flying scotsman123 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:12 pm

usually they end up in this section, someone suggested a specific section but I can't see the point really. As for shows, I pay £3 I think for my local one, a 10 minute walk, 10 layouts plus some trade, and that's as far as I go! :lol: I used to go to the Stafford one quite regularly for my birthday, no idea how much it cost, but was a lot bigger than my local show with about 40 layouts, however a couple of years in a row they had some quite boring layouts with not a lot happening (the modelling standard was still great) so I knocked it on the head and I usually do a winter steam gala instead (MHR gala this year for me).
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Postby David Bigcheeseplant » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:06 pm

£8 for admission is not expensive when you compare it to other types of entertainment, how much will a cup of coffee and a sandwich cost in a high street café?

I have been to St Albans show for many years and although he venue is not the best the show always has something to entertain, I normally take my other half and she goes shopping while I look round the show and meet for lunch for a bite to eat which is well over £8

I sometime wonder if most people know how much a show cost to put on as you need to pay hall hire layout expenses and a whole host of other costs, I'm exhibition manager or Railex in Aylesbury in May http://www.railex.org.uk and the turnover for two days is around £25000 and we charge £8 for adults we need around 2000 visitors to attend just to break even. I would like to know how a show can charge £3 and cover the costs, unless hall hire and layout costs are very low.

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Postby flying scotsman123 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:15 pm

David Bigcheeseplant wrote:£8 for admission is not expensive when you compare it to other types of entertainment, how much will a cup of coffee and a sandwich cost in a high street café?

I have been to St Albans show for many years and although he venue is not the best the show always has something to entertain, I normally take my other half and she goes shopping while I look round the show and meet for lunch for a bite to eat which is well over £8

I sometime wonder if most people know how much a show cost to put on as you need to pay hall hire layout expenses and a whole host of other costs, I'm exhibition manager or Railex in Aylesbury in May http://www.railex.org.uk and the turnover for two days is around £25000 and we charge £8 for adults we need around 2000 visitors to attend just to break even. I would like to know how a show can charge £3 and cover the costs, unless hall hire and layout costs are very low.

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I think the £3 shows tend to be the ones with perhaps a dozen or so layouts in the local village hall, a couple of second hand stalls, some small odds and ends and the local model shop for new stuff. I imagine the difference Alex has is the venue, if the shows are of similar size.
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Re: Model show price / distance

Postby RFS » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:09 pm

I went to the Warley Exhibition at the NEC in November. It cost me £14 on the door, plus £10 parking. It was an 80-mile round trip in the car, which meant another approximately £15 in petrol alone. But for me that's the price of a really good day out.
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Re: Model show price / distance

Postby ParkeNd » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:31 pm

I guess it's all relative. For some 2 x £8 is small change. For others it's a big chunk of their Job Seekers Allowance.

I've just thought of a way to halve the cost though ----- how brave are you?

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Re: Model show price / distance

Postby alex3410 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:15 am

its a fair point about the venue itself, and i had no idea such large sums of money where involved to put on a show :shock: kind of puts it into perspective.

if the idea to half the cost is to leave the other half at home then not brave at all :lol:

I guess thinking about it the shows can be aimed at different levels with the 'local' ones also trying to get in the general public so have to have cheaper entry fees to attract those in as a family of 4 can soon add up at the more expensive shows.

it would still be interesting to see how far people travel to go to shows

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Re: Model show price / distance

Postby markh » Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:47 am

For shows some of my shows are resonably cheap to get in, and good shows, Ive visted the Maryport model show acouple of times and due to attend this year with my layout, IVe also visit my local show each year and now attend it each year if i can,

As for entry fees, thats all depends on a number of things, mostly the cost to hire the venue & pay for catering, and also cover costs for other things, i went out one night in 2012 show with some lads from the show, and was chatting to the organsier and he was saying that to hire the venue, cover cost for catering, and pay epensive for people travelling and staying, would easly break 4 figure numbers and that they have to guess the number of people visiting the show and set the entry fee on that, luckly the workingshow is well atteneded by people, many just to look at the layouts,

the last workington show was held at the Energus building, and a local trust also put on a free bus on the sunday as the 300 & 302 whitehaven bus didnt go up to the building, which was able to bring more people up whoi couldnt make it on the saturday


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Re: Model show price / distance

Postby Ex-Pat » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:10 am

You're all so lucky over there with so many easily accessible shows to get to.

The only shows I've been to in Ireland have been in Bangor, County Down, and one of them, being in a church hall, did not allow any trade representation at all. I am aware of one at Enniskillen (no longer rail-served), and some Irish ones in Wexford & Dublin (but I find the prices for stock (and everything else in fact) in Ireland generally totally uncompetitive).

So I have to fly each year to Glasgow & Warley - did Nottingham by air once but then they changed the schedules and that put the kaibosh on Nottingham. For what you get I find the admission prices acceptable.

(At least the St. Albans admission includes a Show Guide?)

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Re: Model show price / distance

Postby b308 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:37 am

flying scotsman123 wrote:usually they end up in this section, someone suggested a specific section but I can't see the point really.


I did and it was to publicize any exhibitions where layouts that feature on here are taking part in a show, both as publicity for the show and as a way of allowing people to see the layout (and builder!) in the flesh!! :shock:

I still think it's a good idea but I don't think the Mods do but thanks for the excuse to plug the idea again! :)

As for St Albans, I was told by the Editor of one of Peco's magazines that it was one of the top UK shows and quite an honour to be invited so the price doesn't surprise me... So I'm chuffed that they saw fit to invite my TTe layout ( viewtopic.php?f=29&t=43669&start=45 ), so those of you who are going please say hello, we're in the Foyer! :mrgreen:

You get what you pay for, if you go for cheap and cheerful that's what you'll normally get and you'll find mine at both... ;)
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Re: Model show price / distance

Postby b308 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:08 am

There's a serious amount of work involved in organising a show, I've done quite a few over the years, albeit just narrow gauge specialist ones. I always try to keep the costs down by using local halls (even then you need to make sure they are easily accessible, both to get to and access itself) and local layouts (our local branches of the 009 Society and 7mm Group provide the layouts). The next thing is the length of the show, I think you'll find that most of the "cheap" shows are one day events, hiring for the day is a lot easier and cheaper. As soon as you go for a two day event you end up having to book the Friday night for setting up which adds to the costs. In addition to that for any multi day show there are expenses for overnight accommodation for operators of layout which travel to the show from any distance...

And the above are just the tip of the iceberg for the role of the Exhibition Manager...

Personally I wouldn't even consider organising a multi day show, far too much grief!


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