Making a move to N gauge...

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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby ollieollieollie » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:47 am

Yep. Looks like it ain't ever going to happen...

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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby Phipps » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:48 pm

Makes me wonder why they got the bloody crossing built,if NR are going to be so un-cooperative.

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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby tornado64 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:09 pm

n gauge would seem to have it all but I still am reluctant to change and here are my main reasons

n gauge ( particularly in the past ) has many scale related sacrifices ( especialy in the connecting rods and valve gear ) wheels have improved vastly over the last decade or so though

what you gain in space you still have the undisputeable ( n gauge look ) where 00 can cram in much more detail

but my biggest concerns have always been working with the scale it is okay for a lad of 18-28 say but as I get older my sight is getting worse as is my dexterity what I can manage in 00 is off limits in N

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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby hairyhandedfool » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:44 pm

Perspective is a funny thing, when I first went into N gauge I had great difficulty in getting the wheels on the track, now I don't have a problem, but what remains of my OO gauge collection looks so much bigger now.....

As with many things, different scales and gauges have pros and cons, and each person is going to look at them differently.
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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby Zunnan » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:44 pm

As with all things in life, different things work for different people. N/00/O gauges are no different, there will always be advocates and detractors for them all. I'm a great advocate of try before you buy, as it were. If you can't settle on one or the other, try and get yourself down to a club so that you can lay your hands on the stuff and see how you get on with it before you commit yourself. You may (as I have done a few times) find yourself taken on a completely unexpected tangent because you find something else entirely. The most important thing is for you to find what works for YOU yourself, not what someone tells you.

Don't take it as me picking on you specifically here, its just this sums up the general 'against N' very nicely in a short concise post that is laid out nicely to use and compare with how I see them as predominantly an N Gauge modeler, although I have tinkered in most of the major scales from Z to G over the years.

tornado64 wrote:n gauge would seem to have it all but I still am reluctant to change and here are my main reasons

n gauge ( particularly in the past ) has many scale related sacrifices ( especialy in the connecting rods and valve gear ) wheels have improved vastly over the last decade or so though


In most cases (with new releases, old Poole era and Minitrix stuff is a different ball game all together) the compromises in valve gear is nowhere near as obtrusive as a 4x enlargement in a magazine will have you believe. Even the Farish 2MT which one review in particular pointed out that the valve gear looked chunky, when you see the model working on a layout you realise how tiny the 'chunky' valve gear actually is, and it then becomes a marvel that it has been produced as completely as it has and doesn't chew itself to bits. Personally, I feel that 00 gauge has more unforgiving scale related sacrifices, top of the list is the 4' track gauge. Out of the box, current N gauge models (produced with NMRA standard wheelsets) can run on true to scale 9.42mm plain track from the 2mm scale association with no modification, although the pointwork has to be built differently to take the non finescale wheels of N Gauge...but if you're hand building your own trackwork you know what wheel standards you're going to be using so will build it accordingly. If you think about it, N Gauge comes RTR at the equivalent of almost EM gauge, that 9mm track spacing scales up to 18mm in 4mm scale ;)

Yes the 'steamroller' wheels can sometimes appear obtrusive, especially on older stock, but at normal viewing distances and with the blackened wheelsets that almost all RTR models now come with you really do rarely notice.

tornado64 wrote:what you gain in space you still have the undisputeable ( n gauge look ) where 00 can cram in much more detail


N gauge isn't about the finer detail, although it can certainly be done. The card that N gauge has up its sleeve is to convey the broader picture of the railway in a landscape very convincingly in a space that 00 will struggle to look little more than a glorified tabletop toy. You don't need to show every possible detail for it to be convincing, N is best looked upon as watching the railway from outside the fence at a distance, where I see 00 as watching from a closer vantage point. Yes, you can go the extra mile and add every conceivable little detail (just look at what Mergic Studios churn out), but when you're watching running trains from beyond the lineside, do you really take in all that detail in the few seconds the train is in view? If you want to look at static models and take in every single detail, then no, quite honestly N is not for you. If you want (nearer to) scale length trains running through a convincing landscape then N is considerably better at doing this in a reasonable space than 00 ever will be.

tornado64 wrote:but my biggest concerns have always been working with the scale it is okay for a lad of 18-28 say but as I get older my sight is getting worse as is my dexterity what I can manage in 00 is off limits in N


By that logic, O gauge is an easier scale to work on than even 00 is. I still maintain that building O gauge wagons is one of the single most difficult things that I have ever undertaken, purely because of the tiny components required to build underframes and brake gear. Try building an 8 clasp BR underframe with all that linkage properly represented, and the vac pipe running through with the takeoff to the vac cylinder! When I kitbuild something in 00 I all often find myself trawling through the really small specialised suppliers to replace unsatisfactory moulded parts too, what should be a nice simple kit (a 1/108 16t mineral for example) I can turn from being a nice easy one evening job into a week long pain in the proverbial to get 'just so' because you can tell the difference in batches by things like the axle boxes. I much prefer building/scratchbuilding in N, its far less fiddly purely by virtue that there is only so far you can go! Plus, you really can build on a grand scale and the work be quite diminutive in actual size.

Here is one I made earlier, the radius of the curve here would be 3rd radius in 00 gauge. And to be fair even the shiny wheels of this older less detailed model don't jar any more than a Hornby locomotive of the '90s, or indeed this models 00 gauge sibling, the Airfix LMS 2P.

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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby Richard Lee » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:54 am

Could it be "Horses for courses"? Some of the factors affecting choice must be the type of layout you want and the space that you have available.

For my layout, I wanted a branch line with small to medium sized tank locomotives pulling 2 or 3 coach trains on an 'L' shaped end to end. I have enough room to do that in OO. There were more items available ready to run in OO that I wanted, in the livery that I wanted. Have a feeling that the smaller the trains are in terms of locomotive size and number of coaches, the more that they benefit from being a larger scale.

On the other hand, if I had wanted a continuous layout or wanted to run larger trains, I suspect that N gauge would have been just the ticket for the space that I have available. I have no experience of N gauge, but I am highly impressed with pictures of what some people have achieved in N.

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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby Phipps » Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:28 pm

The latest is.....
Been fortunate enough to retain quite a lot of 00 gauge stock & as a result, I have all my Bach Deltics, DP1, Kestrel & a few other diesels. Got roughly five A4s (with a Golden Shuttle to come), a token Britannia, Evening Star, two Duchesses with a Princess & GWR Castle.Kept 3 rakes of coaches(Bachmann + Hornby Pullmans) & also some wagons from my childhood.
If I ever have space for a good 00 set-up, stock is still there.

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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby ParkeNd » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:37 am

As an N gauge newbie myself I would say that N is mostly about the ability to portray a railway in the landscape. In N "less is more" and absolutely choking a layout with rails just because you can spoils the gauges big advantage.

Detail on the latest Bachmann Farish and Dapol locos is quite incredible with Tornado being probably the most bristling. Even the new Farish Jinty is incredibly detailed. N gauge diesels like the Dapol Class 22, the Farish Class 24, the Dapol Class 52 and the Farish Warship are unbelievably smooth and quiet. Union Mills concentrate on exceptional mechanical quality and reliability at the expense of detail but have really heavy metal bodies that can haul 70 wagon trains even.

Some recent locos like the Dapol 57xx have had poor performance straight out of the box, and diehards who persist in buying old Farish at low prices on eBay live with the split gears problem. Front bogie steam locos do suffer on poorly laid track especially where people lead curves straight into short radius points.

The gauge does have more than it's fair share of obsessional loco buyers with many many people with over 150 locos and 30 or more on pre-order. This is defended as perfectly normal in a modern lifestyle and they find the smaller boxes easy to have delivered to work and smuggle past SWMBO in their pockets.

Most common track used is Peco Code 55 Finescale Flexi with Code 55 electrofrog points. A few people wary of flexi stick with Setrack but it looks clunky. Kato pre-ballasted track is very popular with people who like to keep altering their layouts. Most realistic layouts try to keep to 12" minimum radius with 10.5" occasionally - whilst 9" and even 7" curves appear but not usually without problems. Layout boards of 7 ft 6 ins x 2 ft 6 ins give huge scope for a super layout. Going below 2 ft 6 ins in width with a twin track roundy roundy will really show you that an extra inch in N is a lot of space.

One humorous word of warning though. If you have never experienced the N gauge rail joiner you have never lived.

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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby alex3410 » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:00 am

ParkeNd wrote:they find the smaller boxes easy to have delivered to work and smuggle past SWMBO in their pockets.


Hmmm might need to look at N gauge again :lol:

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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby Phipps » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:24 pm

Storage space is a BIG winner in my book.Parcels are a darn sight easier to deal with.

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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby ParkeNd » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:41 pm

My wife encouraged my interest in N gauge - but then I only have 12 locos and I really do have a layout to run them on.

On A Nuther Forum C J Freezer's suggestion from a while back that "the average enthusiast has more locos than he needs, but less than he wants" was debated and batted right out of court as out of touch with modern lifestyles. Made really interesting reading once people started saying what they really thought.

Must be hard for an O Gauge fan to go on the smuggle.

Hence one of the appeals of N.

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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby slimsim60 » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:55 am

I prefer N myself, but I'm currently retracking my old OO track as my boy has shown much interest in getting it going again. He has got a small collection of "his" stuff now, the bloke at the railway shop must think I'm confused, lol.
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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby THE CHIEF » Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:36 am

Really Phipps? After I just sprayed an A4 for you? :D
Joking aside welcome to the world of N gauge! Im sure you'll get on well with it :)

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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby Phipps » Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:47 am

Mate-Im keeping your A4 & other things cos you never know.
Got the L94 pannier & other items.They look great & will test soon.

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Re: Making a move to N gauge...

Postby B&Oboy » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:21 am

At the risk of being hung, drawn and quartered for blasphemy, given some of your concerns, had you considered Japanese, American or European N Scale? My only steam loco is a Bachmann Spectrum Consolodation, detail is incredible and it runs so quietly and smoothly, and did so straight out of the box :D
As for some of the Japanese stuff, yes it can be a bit weird and wonderful but, wow, is it so well put together, great detail and finishes and so smooth and quiet, and Kato also make a wide range of American stock too.
I don't have much experience of European stock, but I think we all know that Minitrix is held in very high regard for its quality.
I'll away and get my tin hat on now :wink:


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