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Advice on buying a vice - Try Aldi

Postby Rob-B » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:04 pm

Need a bit of advice on buying one for press fitting loco wheels on to there axels square ive seen this one > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RDGTOOLS-SMAL ... 43b83b8042

but it looks as if its got a V right through the centre if you know what I mean, Not sure if that is to an advantage or not. Has anyone use one of this type before, Is there another name for this type of vice, And lastly would a Small bench vice be ok like this one >
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Amati-Nylon-M ... 20b6e2db3c
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Re: Advice on buying a vice

Postby luckymucklebackit » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:13 pm

Rob-B wrote:Need a bit of advice on buying one for press fitting loco wheels on to there axels square ive seen this one > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RDGTOOLS-SMAL ... 43b83b8042

but it looks as if its got a V right through the centre if you know what I mean, Not sure if that is to an advantage or not. Has anyone use one of this type before, Is there another name for this type of vice, And lastly would a Small bench vice be ok like this one >
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Amati-Nylon-M ... 20b6e2db3c


Given the low price I would doubt it's long term value. For a vice you are really looking for top class material that will not wear or fail due to a shoddy casting, I would spend a bit more and get a reputable brand.

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Re: Advice on buying a vice

Postby alex3410 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:26 pm

its a guess but would the V help grip items that are not perfectly flat? might stop them from pigging out under the pressure

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Re: Advice on buying a vice

Postby mahoganydog » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:47 pm

Hi Rob,

BEWARE!!!! Almost all vices on the market are Chinese. Brands such as Record are now made in China and are easily told apart from real ones by the quality of the casting. There is also the major design flaw in many that they are very sloppy in the jaws so anything you do will not be right others are made out of crap metal full of flaws.

A known brand is NOT a guarantee that it will be any good unless it's 20+ years old i.e. pre China/Indian manufacture!

If it were me doing it I'd be using an Arbor press; an example is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ARBOR-PRESS-/ ... a#ht_0wt_0 . Obviously not mine/not connected to seller in any way! You would need to find a mate with a lathe to make the press tools to suit your wheels (not at all hard to make out of ally).

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Re: Advice on buying a vice

Postby Pete » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:32 pm

its a guess but would the V help grip items that are not perfectly flat? might stop them from pigging out under the pressure


The V allows round objects to be held square in the vice, very useful for cross drilling holes.

I use my drill press for push fit wheels, but a vice like that would be fine, and at £35.00 its not a bad price, if you were using it as a machine vice on a miller or something I might be a bit more selective but for what you're suggesting it would suffice. I would use some MDF inserts as safety jaws so that I didn't damage the wheels, so the v won't be an issue.3

In the past I've also made a simple press using a g-clamp.

Of course as noted the above the ideal solution is a small fly or arbour press, but tooling is a pain if you don't have the facilities.


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Re: Advice on buying a vice

Postby Bufferstop » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:15 pm

I have a vice of similar construction, made by my father when he was a tool room apprentice. For pressing on wheels then you need a softer face than steel. The answer is to find a length of aluminium angle and cut two pieces to sit over the top and face of the jaws. As has been said the v slot is useful for holding rods and tubes.
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Re: Advice on buying a vice

Postby Pete » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:39 pm

The answer is to find a length of aluminium


That's why I suggested the MDF, even aluminium might be a tad hard for fine wheels. I made a very simple arrangement recently to fit the wheels on my Simplex using some small printing woodblocks I had, they are machined flat and square and with a series of holes the same diameter as the axles made assembling them easy.

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Re: Advice on buying a vice

Postby dubdee1000 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:00 pm

That vice looks fine for your purposes. Maybe a strip of ply over the face just to soften in a little, but for loco wheels, its great You should be able to measure yourself a little block of something (mild steel) that will aid you in setting the perfect back to back every time

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Re: Advice on buying a vice

Postby Rob-B » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:01 pm

Thanks guys for all the replies it has given me a lot more to think about especially quality I did try awhile ago to use a small G-clamp but it still did not get the wheels square. I love the idea about the B2B jig whilst pressing the wheels on with a slide vice kind of two birds job
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Re: Advice on buying a vice

Postby Rob-B » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:29 pm

Forgot to ask John what size is your vice, I did see it today whilst I was browsing the forum (that post has given me another idea) the reason I ask is that some slide vice's are 25mm or 50mm is that the size of the jaw fully open the one I posted is 45mm
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Re: Advice on buying a vice

Postby VonkeyVong » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:34 pm

mahoganydog wrote:If it were me doing it I'd be using an Arbor press

I second that, much better than a vice for pressing items together as you will not need to try and hold the items in place at the same time as operating the vice which often ends up in items being pressed together out of square or trapping your fingers.

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Re: Advice on buying a vice

Postby Pete » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:35 pm

You'd still have to hold it in the press, so the same problem as with a vice. But a little press is a very useful bit of kit to have, I often wish I had one.

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Re: Advice on buying a vice

Postby tornado64 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:24 pm

as is , it seems as if it wouldn't be of use to you , mainly because the item is actually a clamp used for drilling on engineers pillar drills , the "V" IS USED WHEN DRILLING BAR OR TUBE !!

but as every piece of equipment it can be pressed into service if I was to use it for compressing wheelsets together I'd get some heavy gauge steel sheet , have it cut down to the right size to cover the faces then get a welder to tack them on for you with them clamped together to give a nicely square set a local welder or engineering shop would probably ask for enough for a couple of pints done as a foreigner !!

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Re: Advice on buying a vice

Postby tornado64 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:33 pm

for what it is worth the ebay seller is RDG tools ( an engineering supplies shop ) so they have an actual shop open to the public , most lines they sell are good quality and well priced , they have a good trading ethos and I wouldn't hesitate to use them again as I have had sterling service from them !!

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Re: Advice on buying a vice

Postby Pete » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:39 pm

but as every piece of equipment it can be pressed into service if I was to use it for compressing wheelsets together I'd get some heavy gauge steel sheet , have it cut down to the right size to cover the faces then get a welder to tack them on for you with them clamped together to give a nicely square set a local welder or engineering shop would probably ask for enough for a couple of pints done as a foreigner !!


We are making very heavy weather of pressing a few wheels on. The vice is fine as is, as noted a number of times above all you need is some bits of MDF/ply they are nice and flat and won't damage your wheels. You'll * up a perfectly good vice if you go tacking bits of mild steel to it :D

I bet you wished you'd never asked :wink:

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