Glenstowe/Port Rosea Layout in N and Nn3 Gauge

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Glenstowe/Port Rosea Layout in N and Nn3 Gauge

Postby kit_friend » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:21 pm

Hello all,

I've designed my first layout as an n-gauge affair to go atop my bookcase - thoughts and suggestions all welcome!

The layout includes an Nn3 section (indicated by red track) and several tunnel sections (track sections without any colour applied).

It's my first tryout of the railwaymodeller software as well so apologies for roughness...

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Postby Zanziba » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:35 pm

I know it is N gauge but any chance of zooming in a bit? or am I getting old?

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Postby Raider » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:36 pm

Click the photo and it takes you to a massive image

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Postby Zanziba » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:39 pm

Ah yes, very clever lol.

Now i look dumb!

I like the layout design, excellent figure 8 with some good shunting prospects.

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Postby Danny » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:43 pm

Great plan there looks like you can make some interesting train movements with it.

I can tell you like faller kits!

Danny.

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Postby kit_friend » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:59 pm

wow that was a quick lot of responses - great!

I've looked through loads of the kits and card stuff and I just like the look of the Faller stuff, I always think it's best to stick to a single manufacturer if possible for continuity (all of the track I'll use is Fleischmann or Tomix for N gauge).

I'm glad everyone thinks it's looking good - some technical advice would be appreciated:

-Anyone got any tips on which DCC system to use? I'm fancying the Hornby Elite although if that's rubbish I'd push to the ZTC midrange controller...

-I've got next to no experience wiring layouts - what's the deal with insulation blocks and whatnot considering my figure eight?

Incidentally I'll be running entirely steam streamliners on this set (plus a couple of shunters)- me and my fiance are big art deco fans!

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Postby locoworks » Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:54 pm

i'm not sure of the availabillity of an n gauge 3 way point anymore? but good, i like it.

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Postby Malton Seadog » Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:28 pm

The curve between the viaduct area and the turntable, above the platform, looks very sharp indeed.

I'd be wary of running long locos round there, at least at speed anyway.
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Layout update!

Postby kit_friend » Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:37 pm

Hello all,

all the items (including three way points) are available for N gauge in the UK (I'm in London) or shipped from Europe for a good price.

I've finally decided where to go in the DCC direction, and I'll be ordering a Digitrax Zephyr soon - for me it seems to have the right balance of a nice interface (I dont want to just be button pressing or joystick flicking) and technical capability.

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Updated track plan attached above, from last post you will notice the following changes (comments welcome please!):

-Curve/gradient on left hand side is now much longer lead up (will still have to wait to see if this is gradul enough though)

-Buildings, aircraft and tracks around the airport are reorganised to suit better and fit more detailed. The City station will be a kitbash using the Faller 222128 Overall Station Roof looking something like this:

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The aiport building will be something like this:

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- Z gauge/Nn3 track has been changed totally (partially to avoid spending £100 on points). It will now serve to deliver freight to the dock side, and to go through to the town/village - at some point this will be running on little trestles to take it high enough to pass over the secondary/village shuttle track. (See the dockside railway at Morwellham Quay for my original motivation for building a narrow gauge railway and the trestles - though mine will be heavier duty: http://www.bbc.co.uk:80/devon/content/i ... ry.shtml?3)

-The secondary track running around the village/town area now has a loop as well as a siding that will run in to the Iron Foundry model area. It uses almost entirely Tomix track which allows very tight radii, but only short locos will be running on it. It now joins the main track in a much neater joint inside a mountain tunnel (with side access panels).

-The village/town will now have a church, a less formal platform/station area, and a definite "town square" area with roman cobbling.

-The main express loop will run below the town level to allow the secondary track to run round without the cobbled together multiple crosses. The section coloured dark grey will be a visible cutting.

Cheers,

K


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Postby SouthernBoy » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:40 pm

I like your Nord Express poster ...

On the track-plan: where the track exits the viaduct on the left, then curves toward top left and then drops below the roundhouse - are you sure the incline isn't too steep ? If trains only go down, you're fine, but if they climb - well, I'd set up a test first.

What sort of streamliners are you going to run ? If you have any links I'd be interested to see what you're looking at ...

Some of the early non-steam examples of streamliners are also pretty neat:
Schienenzeppelin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SchienenzeppelinDRG Class SVT 877 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Class_SVT_877
M-10000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-10000
Burlington Zephr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Zephyr

I agree some of the Faller kits are good - but I don't think you necessarily need to stick with kits from one manufacturer to get a consistent look to your layout - that's more down to a consistent style of treatment. Have you looked at DPM kits http://www.dpmkits.com/ and Walthers http://www.walthers.com/ (and check the picture of the Hiawatha Observaton car top left on the home page - neat ! ).

Similarly - some Japanese manufacturers produce contemporary kits which, whilst modern-day, are very constructionist in style and could readily be kit-bashed to be art-deco. http://www.japanmodelrailways.com/shopenglish

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Postby kit_friend » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:00 am

Thanks - I was trying to find a poster of what my fevered imagination remembers as being a period mallard poster but I couldn't find it in reality and the Nord Express one kind of fits :)

I'm hopeful about the incline, but as you say, until I test it's a bit optimistic at best. I'm thinking of using the Woodland Scenic's incline stuff for ease of getting a steady gradient (though I slightly begrudge the cost for what is essentially pre cut polystyrene packaging foam!) rather than spend ages trying out different levels with my tools. Anyone got any experience with N gauge trains on 4% inclines?

I've found it really difficult to find many n gauge streamliners, which I find a bit odd considering how gorgeous alot of them were. At the moment I've got a Bachmann Silver Fox and I'm considering getting these two:
http://www.ontracks.co.uk/index.php?pag ... 056&wl=296
http://www.ontracks.co.uk/index.php?pag ... 239&wl=296

I've also ebay'd a del prado SNCB Class 12. It's a static model but it's N gauge and I liked the look so much I thought I might try and use the body shell to run on a cannabilized chassis from somewhere.

Thanks for the links, those are all absolutely gorgeous. Has anyone found any of those produce for N gauge (kits or ready built!). If any are available I think I shall have to expand my remit (although the whole layout is a flight fo fancy in any case). That Hiawatha car is gorgeous, now if only I could find a UK supplier...

I've stuck to the Faller kits mainly because I like the look of them over some of the other manufacturers, and I like the way all the kits sync nicely, at least for my village area. All the hobby shops in London seem to have a fairly limited range compared to the online retailers, and without being able to examine the kits close up I'd prefer to stick with one manufacturer so at least the quality of castings etc will match regardless of final finish. The Japanese stuff is really interesting, I'd missed it before when I'd order my tomix track from that website... the skyscraper in particular looks ripe for some adaptation.

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N gauge streamliners

Postby kit_friend » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:16 am

I spoke too soon!

Using loco names kindly supplied by SouthernBoy I have found the following available "Streamliner" N gauge locos. Including some truly fantastically odd ones...

http://www.tee-usa.com/store/product3118.html
http://www.tee-usa.com/store/product3121.html
http://www.tee-usa.com/store/product7083.html
http://www.hobbysmith.com/Con-Cor%20AeroTrain.html
http://www.con-cor.com/M10000.html

Watch this space for more streamliners as they come! Please post any you find...

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Postby SouthernBoy » Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:12 am



Those are truly, absolutely exquisite ... I didn't realise you could get all these as models, especially in N. I love the period style packaging on the third and last sets - and the spec on the last two sets is quite impressive. Hang on a minute - I'm just picking my jaw up off the floor. For a moment I thought about a second layout for myself just to showcase these trains ... but it will have to be another project for another day.

On the practical side: What's your tightest radius ? I'd definitely ensure you have nothing less than 12"/30mm - those locos may not take anything tighter - and it looks like the DRG Schienenzeppelin has little room for the bogies to turn at all - so it would make sense to check with the manufacturers what minimum radius they recommend. Similarly the NORFOLK & WESTERN CLASS J looks to be a 4-8-4 and may find tight curves difficult. My Bullied West Country is 4-6-2 and is ok on 12" but I wouldn't want it any tighter.

Inclines: My layout has an (approx) 1:30 which will take a medium to large loco and six coached easily (I haven't tried more) - but my M7 0-4-4 struggles with anything more than a carriage or two. I built the incline using a series of 2" x 1" - fairly evenly spaced and then just added packing (off-cuts of wood, card, cork, whatever was handy) to make final adjustments. I did a lot of testing and adjusting - especially because my inclines start and end on curves. What worked for me was to have the incline fairly shallow where the track curves - and increased the angle on the straight. So although my incline is 1:30 overall, it's probably slightly more acute on the straight.

I like your revised plan. I was thinking it may be worth considering having the engine shed / turntable area slightly higher again (so the track from the points to the turntable are also on a slight incline) - because I'm not sure how deep the Peco turntable is and obviously the base will need to be high enough for trains passing underneath.

Your airport building is fantastic - did you draw that in Illustrator ? Will it be from an adapted kit or will you scratchbuild ? I noticed both buildings have a red roundel type thing toward the top centre - is this a transit logo or signage system ?

Final question - what's the overall size of the layout ?

Mark

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Postby kit_friend » Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:31 pm

I didn't realise there were so many til your post gave me some google ammunition! I completely forgot to mention, there's also a site for a guy who specializes in making streamliner's for n gauge: http://www.prototrains.com/


My layout is going to be reallly tight... I've only got a bookcase top to play with at the moment so the total size is 42cmx185cm. The track plan so far uses the smallest radius Fleischmann curves (Radius 192mm) I know this is tight but I can't go any deeper than 42cm and I really want to try and get a continuous loop in rather than just a shunting yard - I'm a continous run kind of guy! If I really can't get the nice long streamline's to run I'll install an "express line" that takes them on a fairly straight route... I'll post a draft of this later (god bless railmodeller....so fun to plan in...).

I dont plan on running too many coaches behind any of my trains neccessarily, on such a small track they'll take up half the board! So hopefully this will ease things slightly with the gradients... the Woodland Scenic's thing works out to be roughly 1 in 25.... I think I'll just get some board later and try stuff out...ditto for the peco turntable... it looks fairly shallow in the images I've seen but I'll do some e-mailing - anyone here got one they'd like to measure?

Glad you approve of my airport :D It's a 3D model drawn in sketchup, one of the most useful applications ever. It's going to be entirely scratch built, but it's designed to be made from laminations of 3mm styrene and half a premade plastic hemispherefor ease of construction... I may be getting these laser cut or CNC cut depending on how much it costs. The Airport front is based on this building with a bit of tweaking:
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The roundel thing is a clock on the main building but I haven't decided what details to put in. I'm also going to be doing my own arcades to fit with the station side wall and the area next to the platform as this is where the level split will be.

Animation of my station for all to see!:
http://www.youtube.com/v/yxQO_W86oNY

Now all I have to do is find some money to start buying stuff :( Not going to have any cash to start anythign proper for at least a month (alas and damnit to my design student budget).

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Postby kit_friend » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:52 pm

For any streamline fans modelling in HO - really cool Chinese locomotive:

http://cgi.ebay.com.hk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... 6&tc=photo


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