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Mystery clockwork loco, help with I.D

Postby Ken Shabby » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:35 pm

This loco was one of a pair of very cheap clockwork locos I bought with a view to fitting with a Hornby 0-4-0 chassis.

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Before I start cutting (It will need the pretend cylinders trimmed off) I was wondering If anyone knew who made this loco ?.
I know it's not Triang, Hornby Dublo , Trix or Playcraft, and It has no makers name anywhere on it.
Once fitted with a new chassis It will either be used as a departmental shunter of industrial loco
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Re: Mystery clockwork loco, help with I.D

Postby End2end » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:09 pm

I think you can add JOUEF to the "know it's not" list too.
http://www.joueftrains.com/early_locos.htm
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Re: Mystery clockwork loco, help with I.D

Postby Bufferstop » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:10 pm

Are you sure it's not Playcraft? The headless buffers look like their work.
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Re: Mystery clockwork loco, help with I.D

Postby RuffnutThorston » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:23 am

No, not Playcraft....which was the Jouef model anyway...

We had one of these a while ago now, and if I remember correctly, it was a Wells Brimtoy loco...

https://www.hornby.com/us-en/forum/mystery-clockwork-loco/?p=1


https://picclick.com/Wells-Brimtoy-Welsotoys-00-Gauge-Clockwork-Train-Set-142709820281.html

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Re: Mystery clockwork loco, help with I.D

Postby Bigmet » Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:55 am

And it's the nearest thing to an ex-GER LNER/BR Y4 that's ever been made, for which dumb buffers are entirely correct, although these were cuboid on the real thing rather than cylindrical. Weighed 38 tons, about the same as a 2F 0-6-0, 6' wheelbase and a nominal 19,000lb of tractive effort, the largest 0-4-0T built by any UK railway. Complete pig to install the outside Walschaerts gear on a model ...

(To move it closer to the appearance of a Y4, shorten the cab at the front by removing the side window section, and extend the Belpaire firebox to 'fill the gap' to a new cab front, remove the rear bunker and a add a new rear wall to the cab, it simple didn't have a rear bunker! See https://www.lner.info/locos/Y/y4.php )

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Re: Mystery clockwork loco, help with I.D

Postby Mountain » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:38 pm

I believe I have one but it is green. It runs better then thw Triang or Hornby examples. Trying to remember who made it. It was a toy manufacturer.

(I maybe wrong in what I am thinking but I believe it is the same as the lovely light green one that I have).

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Postby Mountain » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:31 pm

Ooh. I have not see the coaches. It explains why the coupling loop is a little higher then standard 00 is.

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Postby RuffnutThorston » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:36 pm

That is the first photo of the set that I have seen as well.

There must have been thousands made...but how many survive?

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Postby Bigmet » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:54 pm

sarah wrote:...There must have been thousands made...but how many survive?

Sufficient that at the last show I went to which featured dealers with their 'table mountains' of ye olde stuff (trying for prices which suggest all of it was handcrafted exclusively by Faberge for Russian royalty) there were a couple available.

I get half tempted, and then sober up and remind myself of far more necessary projects in the 'to be done queue'.

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Re: Mystery clockwork loco, help with I.D

Postby Ken Shabby » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:05 pm

Thanks, to everyone who helped solve the mystery, especially Sarah. The model is made from a strange slightly shiny plastic, which is more flexible than that used on 50's Triang models, however it is slightly warped on one side.
I cut the pretend cylinders off last night, there was no need for a saw, a Stanley knife blade went through the plastic like butter.
A Hornby Caledonian chassis is a decent fit, but I will need to think up a way of fixing it in place.

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Re: Mystery clockwork loco, help with I.D

Postby Mountain » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:21 pm

Does the clockwork chassis work?

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Re: Mystery clockwork loco, help with I.D

Postby Ken Shabby » Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:13 pm

Does the clockwork chassis work?


There is some signs of life, but there is a small chip in one of the wheel flanges. It's now in the spares box, I never throw anything away.
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Re: Mystery clockwork loco, help with I.D

Postby Mountain » Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:15 pm

I am wondering if you can remedy this with some superglue and resin powder or super glue and baking soda etc. See Youtube about the superglue and baking soda trick. It sets hard. Is ideal for small repairs.


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