OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

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OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby Bigmet » Wed May 13, 2020 10:11 am

Anyone got one, or have one on order? I am as always curious about the mechanism arrangement, how well it runs, ease of fitting a decoder; if anyone cares to comment. Petite mechanisms can be very useful...

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Re: OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby Richard Lee » Thu May 14, 2020 10:20 am

I have seen a favourable review from Jenny Kirk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICUJFlbZs4U

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Re: OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby Bigmet » Sun May 17, 2020 1:53 pm

After a couple of days roaming the net I have found what I need to know about the mechanism. Motor, drive train, DCC socket, all tidy and competent. Pick up (it now emerges following more dismantling) is conventional wipers on wheelback, so that's good too, no concern at all about split axles, steel axles, force fitted wheels.
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Re: OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby Mike Parkes » Sun May 17, 2020 8:44 pm

Also whether the split axles are reliable (i.e. as used in the old Triang / Hornby Rocket) or less so (Kader production for Mainline, Replica and Bachmann)

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Re: OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby Bigmet » Mon May 18, 2020 10:17 am

Turns out it has press fitted steel axle wheelsets and wiper pick up, both of which are well proven, so hurrah!

Double hurrah, as this makes it likely the D class will be arranged likewise: and that is a model I would like, quite simply the prettiest 4-4-0 ever...

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Re: OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby Mike Parkes » Mon May 18, 2020 7:36 pm

New photo has emerged on another forum showing it does actually have wiper pick ups - the brass bushes are actually bearings and they do not have a split chassis.

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Re: OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby mattmay05 » Mon May 25, 2020 7:54 pm

I wouldn't trust Jenny's video, pretty much glossed over everything that wasn't right, coal rails, cab, pipework, smokebox number plate, after all.... she is a friend of Rails of Sheffield and well you don't want to hurt that friendship now with a bad review do we....

They come factory fitted with a speaker... even dcc ready has one, its quite compact but untidy inside.

A more honest review can be found here...
https://youtu.be/M1N93fZWKY4

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Re: OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby Bigmet » Tue May 26, 2020 9:53 am

As ever, it's make up your own mind on the evidence of your own observations and knowledge, and never on the basis of a reviewer's opinion.

From my perspective of only being interested in the mechanism, this model is OK, but I'd probably buy the Hornby if I wanted a Terrier mech, as it is both cheaper and simpler.

(Off topic, but an example of 'Reviewery'. The well known 'Sam's Trains' review of the Heljan O2 which comes titled ''Worst Ever' if I remember correctly is a good example. Hopefully it will have warned those running a carpet railway off! But it wouldn't even for a moment affect my opinion, because I have the experience to deal with the problems, from a background of constructing models for myself. And I have 2 examples of this model performing really well on my layout and am pleased with them, and will buy the GNR versions as and when Heljan produce them.

Second only to the Hattons/Heljan Beyer-Garratt, it's the most complete 'Curate's egg' of a model: good in parts. Some aspects are excellent, fine wheel flanges, plentiful weight combined with a good drive line for excellent heavy freight pulling power. But there are also distinct weaknesses and inaccuracies. I can work around these and correct them, and it is a lot easier than building a model from a kit, so I will live with that. Wouldn't recommend it to anyone with a set track layout, or any who would consider the Bachmann WD or Hornby O1 2-8-0's too easy to knock detail parts off. By comparison to the Heljan 2-8-0, these are indestructible Titans...)

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Re: OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby Richard Lee » Tue May 26, 2020 10:53 am

My new tooling Hornby Terrier runs well, and is quiet, unlike the old tooling ones. (It also looks better than the old tooling, but that doesn't seem to what you are after in this instance.)

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Re: OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby Bigmet » Tue May 26, 2020 11:55 am

That's just me, always looking out for suitable mechanisms! Compact and good steam mechanisms are always something that I Iike to keep informed about.

It's been pretty clear that Hornby's Terrier is a good piece, and yet better in appearance since they tweaked it after the first releases to fix some detail errors. This is a useful choice to have for what is a popular subject: Hornby's lacking one or two detail refinements but at a good price, Rails version offering several enhancements for more money. (Though to be brutally honest the poor fit of the separate chimney top on the Rails Terrier kills the claim of the 'pedigree Terrier': way off the breed standard there, like a dog with no nose!)

When it comes to sales, I would expect that Hornby have made a killing on this one; firstly got the benefit of another business' advertising their intentions, and were then a comfortable year ahead in going on sale, and able to make revisions before the competitor was available. Hopefully Rails next two will have the field to themselves, both fine choices of handsome pre-group designs never previously to be had in RTR OO.

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Re: OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby Topgeare55 » Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:48 pm

Apologies for being late to this party! I received my DCC sound fitted Terrier 2 years to the day after I ordered it. There was no indication of a Hornby version to come - back then. So much promise and hype - that kept the interest alive. I only became wary after seeing Sam's review, but hoped he had been unlucky with a bad example. If you've seen Sam's YouTube video, his main criticism was "falling off curves" Mine did this out of the box and there didn't seem to be any prospect of correcting it. I know there are some out there who just like to own a nice model and keep it on a shelf. Others of us, are keen to run them and get our satisfaction that way. An expensive model loco that can't stay on the rails - (Aha: Can't stay on the Rails of Sheffield) is next to useless and a bitter disappointment. On the plus side, Rails were very good, accepting that they had supplied a duff product and crediting me with the full price I'd paid. I quite agree with the comment about Jenny. Her reviews don't give any comprehensive appreciation of how well they run. How many times did she tell us what a delight it was to get so many versions from Rails?
Pleased to say that I have managed to get a Hornby Centenary Terrier to replace the Rails Terrier.

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Re: OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby Bufferstop » Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:44 pm

Anything with fine flanges is likely to fall off on Sam's curves, they are laid on carpet and that's just what oversize flanges were adopted for. Things to check if you have a loco that falls off on curves are, misalignment on entry to sharp curves (rad 2 or less), an outward tilt, an inward tilt/superelevation is preferable and immediate entry into turnouts from curves. Or you could just be driving too fast :wink:
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Re: OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby Bigmet » Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:29 pm

Topgeare55 wrote:...( Her ) reviews don't give any comprehensive appreciation of how well they run...

Reliability and usefulness of reviews, a contentious subject long before the internet.

If I had to propose one of the leading benefits of the internet forums in respect of the model railway interest, it has been the broader access to information about the accuracy and performance of models, and their faults and problems, both immediate, and those that need time to develop and become apparent. And this information isn't from reviewers, but owners reporting their experiences and findings, identifying problems, and very usefully often proposing corrections and remedies.

Of the two available Terriers, by owner report Hornby's is to their usual very tolerant standards, for good track holding. The Rails item not so track kindly, and this has been quite a regular problem for owners. I haven't pursued the subject further, since all I needed was which one would be better from a mechanism perspective.

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Re: OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby Mountain » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:23 am

Bufferstop wrote:Anything with fine flanges is likely to fall off on Sam's curves, they are laid on carpet and that's just what oversize flanges were adopted for. Things to check if you have a loco that falls off on curves are, misalignment on entry to sharp curves (rad 2 or less), an outward tilt, an inward tilt/superelevation is preferable and immediate entry into turnouts from curves. Or you could just be driving too fast :wink:


Add to this is wheel profile. If the profile is too flat, and the flanges are too fine in that the curve between the flange and the tread is not done right, and the loco will leave the rails.
Because ours are scaled down models, the wheel tread profile needs to be more pronounced, and the flange depth does need to be slightly enlarged.
There also needs to be far more sideways play in the chassis in model form due to the sharp curves we use.
For going round sharp curves even some prototypes had flangeless wheels... Though this is rare for smaller locos, on models it does help. If one wanted to get prototype scale curves one needs a room 32ft wide to turn 180 degrees in for a typical 00 gauge loco, so models do need a little help in compromizing to get them to run successfully on our layouts.

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Re: OO Terrier from Rails of Sheffield

Postby Bigmet » Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:51 am

Bufferstop wrote:Anything with fine flanges is likely to fall off on Sam's curves, they are laid on carpet and that's just what oversize flanges were adopted for. Things to check if you have a loco that falls off on curves are, misalignment on entry to sharp curves (rad 2 or less), an outward tilt, an inward tilt/superelevation is preferable and immediate entry into turnouts from curves. Or you could just be driving too fast :wink:

For those that have weaned themselves off carpet operations, the 'Heljan test' is available. If a Heljan model runs reliably on your track, then the track laying standard is probably OK, because they use a much shallower flange than Bachmann and Hornby. (It remains to be seen if any of the smaller and more recent RTR OO competitors go this - highly desirable in my opinion - path.)

Mountain wrote:... If one wanted to get prototype scale curves one needs a room 32ft wide to turn 180 degrees in for a typical 00 gauge loco, so models do need a little help in compromising to get them to run successfully on our layouts.

I suspect that 32' might be the width for something like O gauge to S7 standards.
In P4, scale for 5 chains (the typical 'tightest curve' that real well designed steam locos could manage at dead slow) proved sufficient, easy fit on a 10' wide layout; and if 10 chains radius is wanted - because then there is no need for a continuous checkrail if the line is to carry passenger traffic - that's a fit in 18' width.


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