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Can you identify this loco?

Postby End2end » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:10 pm

I have this loco and I am trying to find out information on it.
I think it is a 45xx 2-6-2 Prairie tank 4527 in GWR green but I am looking for the original manufacturer and model number of it if anyone knows please.
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I have found a Dapol version http://www.hattons.co.uk/17113/Dapol_ND ... etail.aspx

And a Bachmann version http://www.hattons.co.uk/10161/Bachmann ... etail.aspx

Both are the same numbered loco so I am not sure which it is.
As can be seen by the second picture it has all the rodding (?) in place underneath so I'd rather not have to open the loco to find out.
The third picture shows the coupling and some sort of metal plate which may be the way to distinguish between the 2 models I have found.
It does have sprung buffers but I cannot be sure they were not added after purchase and there is no makers mark underneath.

Digging deeper, does anyone know a rough used price for this loco?
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Re: Can you identify this loco?

Postby Mountain » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:22 pm

It is what is known as a small prairie. It is one of the earlier versions of the class which had horizontal water tanks. (Numbers 4500 to 4574). Later versions were known as the 4575 class which had sloping tanks with more water capacity. They were numbered from 4575 onwards. Can't remember how many were made. Both classes were otherwize the same.

As a model, is it a Bachmann? Lima used to make the small prairie, though that isn't a Lima example.
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Re: Can you identify this loco?

Postby mahoganydog » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:24 pm

Hi End2End,

Defo Bachmann probably catalogue number 32-127A. The Dapol one is N gauge.

A rough value unboxed is somewhere around £40 maybe a touch more on a good day. They sell for upwards of £50ish boxed unless there is a pair of loons bidding.

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Re: Can you identify this loco?

Postby End2end » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:34 pm

Thanks for the answers chaps.
After deeper scrutiny with a loupe it is indeed a Bachmann Branch line model so that nails down the manufacturer but still looking for the exact model number if Bachmann prodcued more than one version as well as the 32-127A. Can anyone confirm?
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Edit: Yes unboxed, in good condition, running although It could definatly benefit from a service if I knew how to take that bottom rodding off without damaging it.
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Re: Can you identify this loco?

Postby mahoganydog » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:17 pm

Hi End2End,

If you want to get the body off move the pony trucks to one side and you'll see tiny crossheaded screws in the middle, right at the front and rear. 4527 seems to only be that cat. number.

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Re: Can you identify this loco?

Postby End2end » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:32 pm

I cannot seem to find a service sheet for it. Does anyone know where to get one. I get a "nothing found" on Bachmann Europes site using "32-127A".
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Re: Can you identify this loco?

Postby RFS » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:33 pm

When Bachmann make extra models with a different running number they change the catalogue name. For this model there were 3 variants:

32-127 was 4550
32-127A was 4527
32-127B was 4555
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Re: Can you identify this loco?

Postby End2end » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:35 pm

Thanks RFS. That definatly nails it down to a 32-127A. :D
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Re: Can you identify this loco?

Postby RFS » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:38 pm

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Re: Can you identify this loco?

Postby End2end » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:45 pm

Many thanks RFS. Now downloaded.
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Re: Can you identify this loco?

Postby Bigmet » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:56 am

It looks very clean, don't think it has had much running either.
End2end wrote:...it has all the rodding in place underneath so I'd rather not have to open the loco to find out...


The brake rodding is a simple clip fit into the brake hanger mouldings that are part of the keeper plate, don't worry about them, they are moulded in a tough and flexible plastic. A small screwdriver shaft will go past them, no trouble, when releasing the keeper plate screws.

Removing the screws that secure the keeper plate, will allow it to hinge down from one end on the wiring, and allow you to see if all the driven axles are lubricated. (It is probably also necessary to take off one or both of the pony trucks to allow this.) It's worth doing on two counts:
Sometimes the axles are all lubricated 'just right', but it is not uncommon to find a dry axle, and redistributing the grease is necessary.
The pick up wipers integrated into the keeper plate can be gently adjusted to make sure they always make positive contact with the wheel backs.

Usually there's plenty of grease in the gear train (clear pink, cloudy orange or opaque white, I can't make any sense of whether these are significantly different choices!) and this will run wthout attention 'forever' in my experience. The motor bearings will 'whistle' if they ever go dry. Had this happen so far on two of Bachmann's steam loco motors, in an A1 and K3, so among the oldest of their productions that I have had running regularly for well past a dozen years. Want to be very careful with minimal lubrication on these small motors as the brushes must never get oil on them, in common with all can motors.


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