I would definitely agree with you on that, he may only be 21 (?) but probably has a good 10yrs experience behind him, certainly more knowledgeable than me. He is usually my 1st view when I check Youtube especially recently since both Everard Junction https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpOcgN ... R2L3hHd4ww & Simon's Shed https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiCBtx ... VnTVUQM4GA (2 channels worth checking out) haven't posted any videos for a few months.I honestly think he is doing so much to attract younger people into the hobby unlike the assasins with their never ending very loud demand for 100% correct detail who are killing the hobby by driving the costs through the roof.
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I am not a "fan" of Sam's Trains, but one cannot argue that he does not present the fact as he sees it. He was merely reviewing the item at hand and it proved faulty. He has presented the facts in that the locomotive purchased was flawed.
His critics on another site are of the opinion that prior testing the locomotive he should have thoroughly tested it, corrected any faults off camera and then reviewed it. I see this as dishonest, for while many will receive a faultless example, there will be some who will receive a faulty locomotive. Sam is criticised for not following a fault finding regime to determine the fault in the model, correcting the fault and then giving a glowing review. He presented what he saw.
I see members on another site who complain that a smokebox dart is missing and so they return the model. There is nothing wrong mechanically with the model. What is the difference between a missing minor part and a faulty mechanism that warrants the criticism he has received?
One member who stood up for Sam and stated that he had presented the facts was met with scorn from another member with this response, " I'll say one thing for you ********, there's no questioning your loyalty to young Sam but your judgement is another matter altogether." These critics seems to prefer fake news on reviews and not face the ugly truth.
His critics on another site are of the opinion that prior testing the locomotive he should have thoroughly tested it, corrected any faults off camera and then reviewed it. I see this as dishonest, for while many will receive a faultless example, there will be some who will receive a faulty locomotive. Sam is criticised for not following a fault finding regime to determine the fault in the model, correcting the fault and then giving a glowing review. He presented what he saw.
I see members on another site who complain that a smokebox dart is missing and so they return the model. There is nothing wrong mechanically with the model. What is the difference between a missing minor part and a faulty mechanism that warrants the criticism he has received?
One member who stood up for Sam and stated that he had presented the facts was met with scorn from another member with this response, " I'll say one thing for you ********, there's no questioning your loyalty to young Sam but your judgement is another matter altogether." These critics seems to prefer fake news on reviews and not face the ugly truth.
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It had to happen. Put enough vipers in a pit and they finish up biting each other.
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I also share your view: I am not overly keen on Sam's site as he's aiming at a different audience. But he is honest and one needs to remember that he not only has 7000+ followers but also earns from it through advertising. He's obviously cornered a market.
The comments he recd. from one individual were tantamount to trolling however: completely unnecessary and rather unpleasant. I'm finding it increasingly more difficult to stomach that one. He holds sway with a small coterie on another forum but, thankfully, has been moved off here. After 35+yrs. of working with many people with various different personality disorders, it's becoming impossible not to categorise him.
Like what Sam does or not, he has a strong younger following and in them is the future of the hobby. It would be very sad if any of them felt intimidated by some of the comments, or the way in which 'knowledge' is broadcast. We all had to start somewhere, if I was in my teens now, I'd probably see Sam's videos as helpful.
Tony
The comments he recd. from one individual were tantamount to trolling however: completely unnecessary and rather unpleasant. I'm finding it increasingly more difficult to stomach that one. He holds sway with a small coterie on another forum but, thankfully, has been moved off here. After 35+yrs. of working with many people with various different personality disorders, it's becoming impossible not to categorise him.
Like what Sam does or not, he has a strong younger following and in them is the future of the hobby. It would be very sad if any of them felt intimidated by some of the comments, or the way in which 'knowledge' is broadcast. We all had to start somewhere, if I was in my teens now, I'd probably see Sam's videos as helpful.
Tony
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The vipers are still arguing, but this time over who should apologise to whom. It seems several webbers are outraged and feel that poor Sam should offer them an apology. As he is not one of their team they feel that they have no need to offer any apologies for their statements. Apparently, he is also required to apologise to Oxford Rail for his comments on the dud locomotive received.
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I saw that. It's getting very silly now, grown men squabbling and indignant over toy trains. Why we cannot just enjoy our hobby....
Tony
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Thanks for confirming our decision, it's not something that's done lightly.Lysander wrote: I'm finding it increasingly more difficult to stomach that one. He holds sway with a small coterie on another forum but, thankfully, has been moved off here.
Tony
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John, banning anyone from a forum is a big deal - at least, it should be a big deal. I feel that it's sometimes done a little more quickly that needs be elsewhere but I don't think that you had any alternative in the end on here.
What always baffles me is that the individuals just can't see it coming, that and the desperate need for them to have the last word at any cost. Which means it will always end in tears.
But back to the theme: I will be buying a Dean when it's released in all-green. It has its faults, as do most models in fact, but does it need to have become the target it has? I thought the Glorious Twelfth was just for Grouse! It looks like a Dean, it quacks like a Dean, ergo...
And as a friend pointed out, for a sub-£90 loco, it 'aint that bad. No-one has to buy it after all.
Tony
What always baffles me is that the individuals just can't see it coming, that and the desperate need for them to have the last word at any cost. Which means it will always end in tears.
But back to the theme: I will be buying a Dean when it's released in all-green. It has its faults, as do most models in fact, but does it need to have become the target it has? I thought the Glorious Twelfth was just for Grouse! It looks like a Dean, it quacks like a Dean, ergo...
And as a friend pointed out, for a sub-£90 loco, it 'aint that bad. No-one has to buy it after all.
Tony
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I believe it has an element that any parent will have seen in a growing child; that part that looks for boundaries, wants to see just how far it can push things.Lysander wrote:...What always baffles me is that the individuals just can't see it coming, that and the desperate need for them to have the last word at any cost. Which means it will always end in tears.
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In the case of the response to Sam on that review, the person in question was so tied up in the inaccuracies with the model that he thought the cosmetic defects (apparently about thirteen) were more important than the defective drive chassis. He was totally oblivious to the target audience that Sam appeals to and simply was hungry for an audience.
The average punter, unless educated in the actual defects, would most likely be blind to them. All the average modeller wants is something that looks like the prototype and is reliable in operation. I really do not think that Oxford were aiming their product at the likes of the few hardened critics on another site. It was fine for these critics to undermine the product but when anyone outside their circle spoke up to criticise then they jumped on them.
What is the point of a flawless, perfectly scaled model if the drive is defective? How many perfectly scaled brass locomotives, renowned for their scale fidelity had flawed poorly designed mechanisms? I know that I had a few back in the 1980's and when purchased the store owner was quick to tell me to ignore the poor running quality as it would improve with usage. It never happened. They ran poorly when purchased and ran poorly when onsold some years later.
The average punter, unless educated in the actual defects, would most likely be blind to them. All the average modeller wants is something that looks like the prototype and is reliable in operation. I really do not think that Oxford were aiming their product at the likes of the few hardened critics on another site. It was fine for these critics to undermine the product but when anyone outside their circle spoke up to criticise then they jumped on them.
What is the point of a flawless, perfectly scaled model if the drive is defective? How many perfectly scaled brass locomotives, renowned for their scale fidelity had flawed poorly designed mechanisms? I know that I had a few back in the 1980's and when purchased the store owner was quick to tell me to ignore the poor running quality as it would improve with usage. It never happened. They ran poorly when purchased and ran poorly when onsold some years later.
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Rails of Sheffield have lived up to their reputation, and supplied a replacement. Obviously a retailer worth buying from.
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He, He,
I was probably the one that did the banning .... after a discussion with the other Mods.
Banning is not that difficult, not compared with making all the staff you've been training
and working with for 3 years redundant.
Face to face interviews with people breaking down as they were loosing their job.
Banning a prat ....... as easy as switching on my computer.
Yes I will buy one if just to spite the silly detractors. No I really do want an early BR livery.
Geoff T.
I was probably the one that did the banning .... after a discussion with the other Mods.
Banning is not that difficult, not compared with making all the staff you've been training
and working with for 3 years redundant.
Face to face interviews with people breaking down as they were loosing their job.
Banning a prat ....... as easy as switching on my computer.
Yes I will buy one if just to spite the silly detractors. No I really do want an early BR livery.
Geoff T.
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http://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Fo ... 22&t=32187 and Another on http://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Fo ... &sk=t&sd=a
http://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Fo ... 22&t=32187 and Another on http://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Fo ... &sk=t&sd=a
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Having had a good look at the guts of this model via online photos, it's a definite purchase. A competent correctly dimensioned mechanism for something far more interesting. (Step forward from the Radial mechanism, got the motor and drive line all concealed: Oxford are making progress.)
Realistically, we do have to acknowledge the heavy weighting toward the latter end of life of so many in this hobby. I hold LPA for a severely disabled man who made a distinguished career, admired not least for the tact and consideration with which he dealt with difficult situations. Sadly he is now ready to find fault with all-comers over the very slightest provocation. It was wearing an inappropriate tie on my last visit. Tomorrow's visit - after a couple of entirely necessary weeks away - I am fairly expecting a broadside of accusations of neglect. Knowing that this is due the deterioration of a disease process doesn't make hearing the barrage any easier...Lysander wrote:...After 35+yrs. of working with many people with various different personality disorders, it's becoming impossible not to categorise him...
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Unfortunately, the current woes have cooled my heels and the money is back in the wallet. Same with the Janus. I was all fired up to get two diesels but now with the motor direction and installation issues plus the roaming flywheel location they also are back on the maybe list. If I want to purchase a non-runner out of the box I will buy a pre-owned non-runner from Hattons expanding listings at a reduced price.
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Is opinion still divided on the Dean Goods here? From the reviews I have read and watched, I think I would be willing to go for the black early BR when it come out. As mentioned by others earlier, why not encourage another producer, the more competition the better for us.