Hornby HST nostalgia

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Hornby HST nostalgia

Postby GWR_fan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:48 am

This morning while doing a little spring cleaning I spied a box of old 'shorty' Hornby "INTERCITY" Swallow HST coaches and decided that painting was more enjoyable than cleaning so set to to change the interior colour of the coaches. About an hour later the eight cars were dealt with and I was amazed at the transformation. I have had these coaches for years but never took the opportunity to run them.

Of late I had been onselling the shorty cars and taking advantage of Hornby's recent firesale with the original Intercity blue/grey scale length coaches and the Intercity Executive cars, securing a full rake of each. Alas, the Swallow livery still commands ridiculous prices so I have held onto my shorty Swallow car set.

Years ago I purchased multiple motorised class 43 HST power cars as I thought if I ever run the shorty sets then I would most likely need two motorised power cars. Today, enthused with the painted interiors, I decided to finally test the set of Swallow shorties. A single power car was easily able to haul the eight car set plus the unmotorised end "power" car in both forward and reverse running. The power cars had not been run in years and yet these three-pole ringfields sprung into life as soon as power was applied.

An Executive livery Lima power car was added to the set along with an unmotorised version and this took off like a rocket. I prefer the Executive livery of the Lima power car as the roof is black, unlike the Hornby Executive livery which is grey.

Certainly an enjoyable hour or two of nostalgia.

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Re: Hornby HST nostalgia

Postby Mountain » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:46 am

I have a few myself in the liveries you describe. I prefer blue/grey. I have both Lima and Hornby examples.
I prefer the shorter coaches as one can get the right number of coaches in a shorter length. The formation just does not look right if you dont have the correct number of coaches. In West Wales to Paddington services throughout the 1980's (The exclusive livery I first saw in 1985 with just a powercar and full trains were seen about 1987 onwards in the new livery) always had seven coaches and two powercars. The buffet coach was turned the other way compared to today. (As in the seating used to face towards standard class). The formation was (Padding end heading west in the formation) first, first, buffet, standard, standard, standard, standard with guards compartment (Earliest HST formations had guards compartment in the powercars but unions declared action as guards found the noise unbearable).
From privatisations days onwards, First Great Western HST's gained an extra coach and turned the buffet coach around so they also increased first class seating as well as standard class via the extra coach, and Virgin Trains ran with only six coaches. (Only one first class coach). Virgin HST's were much quicker accelerating due to this.
Other areas of the UK, HST' had different formations and I even heard that in one area, B.R. used to form nine coach sets with the two powercars, and in that formation there were two buffet cars. Maybe someone else can say more about this.
During around 2006-7 I remember watching weird formations of mainly Virgin HST's (But also other liveries) heading for Landore in Swansea. I saw two powercars with no coaches. I saw several powercars coupled together in a row. Some were in a vandalized state with smashed windows etc. It was interesting to watch them, and I remember thinking on watching the two car set that there was a prototype for everything!
The main memories of the earlier HST's I had was the sound. They whistled as they went past. Also, early HST's had an extra window in the rear of the powercar like the Hornby version, though not that many years later they were plated over to look like the Lima version of the model. They used to be classes 253 and 254. Not quite sure the difference as I thought the main difference was the windows but there must have been more. Also after a few years HST's gained a cover on the roof of the powercars which the early Hornby model does not have so it reflects the earlier HST's.

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Re: Hornby HST nostalgia

Postby Mountain » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:18 pm

Here are my Hornby and Lima HST's. :)
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Re: Hornby HST nostalgia

Postby GWR_fan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:53 pm

The three Lima models closest the camera do stick out from the others. Definitely a better rendition of the prototype.

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Re: Hornby HST nostalgia

Postby TimberSurf » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:30 pm

I never realised that HST's were pendolina's ! :D
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Re: Hornby HST nostalgia

Postby Mountain » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:44 pm

GWR_fan wrote:The three Lima models closest the camera do stick out from the others. Definitely a better rendition of the prototype.

Better rendition of the prototype towards the mid '80's (Lima) at the end of te B.R. blue colours, but if you model earlier then the Hornby model is more accurate. Not sure the date, but the first change to the HST were the roof covers. Then gradually the rearmost windows were plated over so by the mid '80's they looked like the Lima model. Also the last of the B.R. blue/grey days the blue got slightly darker so the Lima model was right. The Hornby colours were spot on for the earlier trains. Also they looked quite accurate. The only downside to the Hornby model were the slight gaps around the lights. At least with the Hornby model they sold replacement lenses for them though after Hornby moved to China many spares dried up.

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Re: Hornby HST nostalgia

Postby Ken Shabby » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:46 pm

My son owns 3 of the old Hornby HST sets , in Virgin, Executive and original BR livery.
He's managed to collect enough coaches to make each one into a 4 coach set and we're currently trying to find the short Virgin buffet car , but it's proving hard to find one at a reasonable price.
Although the old HST is very dated now ,they are very robust and ideal for younger modellers.
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Re: Hornby HST nostalgia

Postby Mountain » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:09 pm

Ken Shabby wrote:My son owns 3 of the old Hornby HST sets , in Virgin, Executive and original BR livery.
He's managed to collect enough coaches to make each one into a 4 coach set and we're currently trying to find the short Virgin buffet car , but it's proving hard to find one at a reasonable price.
Although the old HST is very dated now ,they are very robust and ideal for younger modellers.
Ken

Its a rare case where shorter coaches are in high demand due to their usefulness. Also, as so few people ever got to buy a full formation, there tends to be an excess in power and dummy cars and a shortage of coaches.
I am fortunate to have enough, though it took some phoneing around (Before most of us had internet) to get a rake.

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Re: Hornby HST nostalgia

Postby m.levin » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:15 am

I tried adding weight to the Hornby HST to get some traction, tried power cars at each end and found it ran ok until it hit an incline.
I have just converted a Lima HST using the latest Hornby drive and motor, quite an easy project.
This is the hope it will pull a full rake of jouef Mk3 coaches with an incline or 2.

Left conversion and right untouched Lima
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Re: Hornby HST nostalgia

Postby Mountain » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:05 pm

I have heard that it can be done from parts of a class 24/25 type chassis. (Bachmann) though some lengthening of driveshafts will be required. I expect it will not be a simple job to do.
I once tried to mount two ringfield motors into a buffet car using spares bought from Kingcraft models (Used to be one of UK"s main Hornby spares specialists. Dont think they are still trading) but as the two motors ran at slightly different speeds the bogies kept lifting their wheels and the thing would come off the track.
I would say that it would be easier to strip parts from a central drive chassis and use them rather then try to use the chassis itself.
Prior to the new Hornby all wheel drive models, there was a small business which used to sell conversions to all wheel drive for HST's.
What you have done is brill, though I've not noticed that complete chassis are for sale? Or is it a conversion from a complete loco?
I once did a very easy conversion from a pre DCC central motor class 46 onto a Mainline split headcode class 45 body as I was building a garden railway at the time. The conversion was very simple, hence why I did it! :D

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Re: Hornby HST nostalgia

Postby End2end » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:46 pm

I'm actually in the midst of improving a couple of the longer HST coaches.
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I bought a black roofed power and dummy car to go with the coaches but they ran like they were wearing boots so I sent them back for a refund. :lol:
I think it was the magnets in the motor as described by one forum member.

Eventually I will buy a power and dummy car to go with the coaches but in the mean time (thread not updated yet) I've added passengers and have started working on track powered internal lighting rigs.

My choice of HST was down to wanting the executive/swallow livery with black roofs and silver lined widows. I was never a fan of the blue/grey or blue/yellow nor the flush windows that some of the coaches have.
With that said I have no idea or concept of how the trains were made up in reality and although I only have 2 coaches I would like the resturant coach for a bit of variety.
Once my track is completed I can decide wether adding more coaches would fit or be too long to run.
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Re: Hornby HST nostalgia

Postby m.levin » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:18 pm

Mountain wrote:I have heard that it can be done from parts of a class 24/25 type chassis. (Bachmann) though some lengthening of driveshafts will be required. I expect it will not be a simple job to do.
I once tried to mount two ringfield motors into a buffet car using spares bought from Kingcraft models (Used to be one of UK"s main Hornby spares specialists. Dont think they are still trading) but as the two motors ran at slightly different speeds the bogies kept lifting their wheels and the thing would come off the track.
I would say that it would be easier to strip parts from a central drive chassis and use them rather then try to use the chassis itself.
Prior to the new Hornby all wheel drive models, there was a small business which used to sell conversions to all wheel drive for HST's.
What you have done is brill, though I've not noticed that complete chassis are for sale? Or is it a conversion from a complete loco?
I once did a very easy conversion from a pre DCC central motor class 46 onto a Mainline split headcode class 45 body as I was building a garden railway at the time. The conversion was very simple, hence why I did it! :D


I used to drive units like these and retro fit in to Lima bogie, then mounted motor.

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Re: Hornby HST nostalgia

Postby m.levin » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:19 pm

It's only the drive units and motor from latest model, as the Lima HST isn't that bad.


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